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Ten urgent steps to make Britain safer

Old Jul 24th 2005, 5:36 pm
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../ixoplead.html

This was mentioned on visajourney, but it seems to be better suited here:

Ten urgent steps to make Britain safer
(Filed: 23/07/2005)

The country is stunned by a series of violent and terrifying events in London. These "incidents", as the police insist on calling them, have the potential to instil a permanent state of fear among the population. Action, both bold and sensitive, is required to prevent more of them.

Ultimately, terrorism will only end through a change of heart among the fanatics who are prepared to immolate themselves and others in the name of God. The war on terror is a war of culture, between the civilisation which stands for freedom and democracy and the corrupt mentality which sees death and destruction as the only acceptable alternative to the establishment of Islamic theocracy.

This war must be fought on both the cultural and the security fronts. We here set out a list of 10 proposals which, we believe, should be implemented as a matter of urgency.

It is unfortunate that just as Britain faces its most severe internal security threat in decades, MPs have this week risen for a three-month holiday.

We strongly urge the Government to recall Parliament to debate and enact this legislative programme.

1. Confidently assert British values

We must recognise that a root cause of home-grown terrorism is the pollution of British values by Britain herself. Our own culture has actively, if unconsciously, helped to foster a contempt for our country among our own young people.

The result is not merely a loss of Britain's collective memory and communal understanding - it is a class of alienated young men of foreign extraction who regard our civilisation as weak, decadent and despicable.

We must prove them wrong. The Government, schools, the BBC and other cultural outlets should launch a campaign to celebrate the virtues and values of Britishness, and to inculcate these values in the children who grow up, and the migrants who settle, in our country.

2. Exclude foreign undesirables

Although the July 7 bombers were British, it is likely that they were the dupes of intelligent and well-connected fanatics from abroad. Some of those who instigate terrorism have been given a safe haven in Britain under our asylum laws.

This must change. The 1951 United Nations Convention on Refugees theoretically allows governments to deny or revoke refugee status to those who conspire against their host country. British judges, however, have interpreted the 1951 Convention to deny the Home Secretary the right to refuse admission to undesirables.

The Government should unilaterally withdraw from the 1951 Convention and other related protocols. This will, inter alia, allow us to return unwanted arrivals to the last safe country they visited before arriving in Britain.

3. Repeal the Human Rights Act

Judges have also used the European Convention on Human Rights (incorporated into UK law by the 1998 Human Rights Act) to second-guess government decisions, arguing that Article Three of the ECHR gives people the right not to be returned to countries where they may face degrading or inhumane treatment.

This is not an argument which troubles other signatories to the ECHR (notably France, which frequently returns undesirables to Algeria). The Government should repeal the Human Rights Act and consider withdrawing from the ECHR altogether.

4. Crackdown on propaganda

London is a global centre for the dissemination of Islamist propaganda. The Government should expand the legal provisions against the incitement of violence. A specific law banning "religious hatred" is unnecessary; anyone encouraging or exulting in the murder of the citizens of Britain or her allies should be liable to prosecution.

Glorifying terrorism should also be illegal. This will enable a thorough crackdown of jihadist websites and publishers, as well as the firebrand imams who flourish in our country.

5. Intercept evidence admissable in court

The Government has consistently refused to allow intercept evidence (phone taps and other surveillance techniques) to be used in court to aid the prosecution of terrorism suspects. But if we are serious about preventing attacks before they happen, and locking up those who plan them, we must allow these most informative of techniques to be legally admissable.

6. Visible police presence

The Government should abandon its planned legislation for identity cards. By far the most effective preventative action we can take against terrorists is to increase the number of front-line officers dedicated to listening to and reporting on suspicious activity in the Muslim community, and to patrolling likely target sites. Therefore, ministers should devote the estimated £584 million annual cost of the ID card scheme to increasing the numbers of police officers on duty in Britain's streets and transport networks.

7. Sensible policing

As well as growing in number, the police should be freed to exercise common sense in their pursuit and questioning of terrorism suspects. Following the Macpherson Report of 1999, the Government has required police officers who stop and question a member of the public to fill in a 40-question form reporting the encounter, including information on the racial profile of the suspect.

The effect of this requirement, which was intended to restore confidence in the sensitivity of the police to ethnic minorities, is to alienate the police from the community by erecting a barrier of officialdom between policeman and citizen. "Sensitivity", in today's context, is a policy of wilfully ignoring the individuals most likely to be terrorists. In the face of the threat of terrorism, we must all accept an impact on the way we live: the unfortunate additional burden borne by British Asians must be an inevitable increase in frustrating attention from the police.

8. Expectation for Muslims to join the police and security forces

Asians will more happily accept being stopped if it is Asian officers doing the stopping. Britain is also badly disadvantaged by the lack of Muslim police and security officers who could infiltrate radical Islamist networks in Britain.

There is little that legislation could do to correct this lack. But a clear signal should be sent to all Muslim leaders that the role they can play in winning the war against terrorism is to encourage members of their community to join up.

9. Effective border controls

Only when the national government assumes and enforces absolute control over entry to and egress from these islands will we have the capability to contain the threat of terrorism from abroad.

To do this we must unite the diverse agencies which guard our borders into a single border security force, charged with defending our airports, ports and coastline from illegal immigration and smuggling. Also, embarkation controls, abolished by this Government, should be restored, so that the identity of those who come and go from Britain is recorded.

10. Increased detention facilities

Currently there are only 1,200 places available for the detention of would-be migrants and refugees who arrive in Britain without adequate documentation, or who arouse the suspicion of the authorities.

Many thousands of migrants are admitted to the UK each year and allowed to move freely around the country before security checks are performed on them. We must considerably enlarge Britain's detention facilities.
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You forgot "pull British troops out of Iraq"
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Britain's fondness for America has turned this country into something horribly resembling a satellite of the United States. Enoch Powell, 1983
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Originally Posted by Boiler
We must recognise that a root cause of home-grown terrorism is the pollution of British values by Britain herself. Our own culture has actively, if unconsciously, helped to foster a contempt for our country among our own young people.

A specific law banning "religious hatred" is unnecessary; anyone encouraging or exulting in the murder of the citizens of Britain or her allies should be liable to prosecution.
The first point isn't simply true for the male descendants of immigrants from Muslim countries; it's true for MANY kids. Before the bombings, most of the ASBO was by white kids of British descent. What happened to respect from *all* young people, and a country that does not accept insolence but instead offers support to grow into a decent person?

Anyone encouraging or exulting in the murder of *anyone*, not just "Britain or her allies" should be liable to prosecution.
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The first point isn't simply true for the male descendants of immigrants from Muslim countries; it's true for MANY kids. Before the bombings, most of the ASBO was by white kids of British descent. What happened to respect from *all* young people, and a country that does not accept insolence but instead offers support to grow into a decent person?

Anyone encouraging or exulting in the murder of *anyone*, not just "Britain or her allies" should be liable to prosecution.
I must admit it I took it as being a go at the yob culture in general.

I guess nobody is going to get too upset about bumping of Bin Linden, perhaps it would have been clearer just to refer to enemies.
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Britain's fondness for America has turned this country into something horribly resembling a satellite of the United States. Enoch Powell, 1983
So what is the cause and effect of this then? IF Great Britain was indeed an island nation, without any affiliations other than economic ones then are you saying that the recent incidents wouldn't have happened?
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You missed the 11th

11. Shoot all Brazilians, that way we have a great chance of winning the World Cup in 2006.
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So what is the cause and effect of this then? IF Great Britain was indeed an island nation, without any affiliations other than economic ones then are you saying that the recent incidents wouldn't have happened?

Nope -- just thinking the Torygraf's manifesto sounded to me like the paranoia over here post 9/11. And I hope the UK ain't taking the same futile route into isolationism, beating one's breast, and disdain for human rights and civil liberties. Otherwise, terrorism works! Certainly did in the US IMO.
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Nope -- just thinking the Torygraf's manifesto sounded to me like the paranoia over here post 9/11. And I hope the UK ain't taking the same futile route into isolationism, beating one's breast, and disdain for human rights and civil liberties. Otherwise, terrorism works! Certainly did in the US IMO.

The sad thing is that we can never go back to things the way they were pre 9/11.
Beating one's breast may be either that of a Tarzan wannabe or someone indicating mea culpa and lamenting the state of things.
As long as there are right and good people in the world a general disregard of infringement on human rights and civil liberties will not succeed, nor go unpunished.
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The sad thing is that we can never go back to things the way they were pre 9/11.
Beating one's breast may be either that of a Tarzan wannabe or someone indicating mea culpa and lamenting the state of things.
As long as there are right and good people in the world a general disregard of infringement on human rights and civil liberties will not succeed, nor go unpunished.

It is ironic that upkeeping civil liberties & human rights leads to situations where the rights of some people to travel safely to work are curtailed by suppliying terrorists with easier access to the targets.
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12. Make Irn Bru illegal.


And do not use what has happened as a pretext for doing away with civil liberties.
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Originally Posted by doctor scrumpy
upkeeping civil liberties & human rights leads to situations where the rights of some people to travel safely to work are curtailed by suppliying terrorists with easier access to the targets.

How, exactly?
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It is ironic that upkeeping civil liberties & human rights leads to situations where the rights of some people to travel safely to work are curtailed by suppliying terrorists with easier access to the targets.

It is, just as I said that we can never go back to pre 9/11.
Further sad comment is that in regards to the shooting of the wrong man, had this happened in the US, the international consensus would have been well what do you expect-the Americans are nothing but a bunch of cowboys.
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It is, just as I said that we can never go back to pre 9/11.
You are presenting this as a fait accompli! Why not? Getting back as near as damn it would be America's greatest success.

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Originally Posted by cindyabs
It is, just as I said that we can never go back to pre 9/11.
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You are presenting this as a fait accompli! Why not? Getting back as near as damn it would be America's greatest success.

I don't consider myself a defeatist, I consider myself a realist. I live in a rural area so it has little impact on my day to day life. However I will be traveling to London next month to the US Embassy and that should be interesting.
I have had a few experiences of bomb threats myself in the past and it was not a nice feeling being targeted anonymously for any other reason then that I was an American.
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