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Old Nov 2nd 2008, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by dbj1000
You have to file a tax return every year, even if you don't earn anything.
That is an often repeated myth but it isn't true.

You do not have to file if your income is below certain limits and there are no other special circumstances that would require you to file.

Quoting the IRS web site:

Every year millions of people file Federal Income Tax returns even though they are not required to.
See Do You Need to File a Federal Income Tax Return? on the IRS web site for details.
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Originally Posted by Duncan Roberts
I have to pay city taxes for the city I live in and the city I work in.
Must be an Ohio ( or east coast thing) as I never encountered that on the west coast. Just state and federal, nothing local for income.
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Originally Posted by md95065
That is an often repeated myth but it isn't true.

You do not have to file if your income is below certain limits and there are no other special circumstances that would require you to file.

Quoting the IRS web site:



See Do You Need to File a Federal Income Tax Return? on the IRS web site for details.
Fair enough - that's pretty definitive. Thank you.

Still can't work out why MsElui would choose to forgo her full range of tax credits and allowances by not filing jointly with her husband.
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Originally Posted by dbj1000
Fair enough - that's pretty definitive. Thank you.

Still can't work out why MsElui would choose to forgo her full range of tax credits and allowances by not filing jointly with her husband.
Niether can I...our accountants have always prepared ours jointly. If they use an accountant it may be best to find a new one.
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guys, dbj1000 really helpful advice. cheers.

I was told I had to pay fed / state tax as L is a working visa.
and I don't do charity/don't own any business.
then what tax refund will i get ?
is it that employers don't always deduct the correct amounts ?
I'm also paying medicare thing though I got private medical covered.
Can I not pay for that ?

I'll need an accountant.
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Old Nov 3rd 2008, 12:43 am
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Niether can I...our accountants have always prepared ours jointly. If they use an accountant it may be best to find a new one.
Aren't they the ones who've had endless trouble with their incompetent accountants and getting ITINs for the family?
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Originally Posted by trex21
guys, dbj1000 really helpful advice. cheers.

I was told I had to pay fed / state tax as L is a working visa.
and I don't do charity/don't own any business.
then what tax refund will i get ?
is it that employers don't always deduct the correct amounts ?
I'm also paying medicare thing though I got private medical covered.
Can I not pay for that ?

I'll need an accountant.
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This isn't Britain. You're approaching this all wrong.

YOU choose how much tax the employer withholds, by using the W4 form to specify how many deductions to apply. YOU are responsible for withholding the correct amount of tax. Your employer is NOT the responsible party here. This isn't the PAYE scheme.

If you over-withhold, you get a refund after you file your taxes. How much depends on how much you over-withheld.

If you under-withhold, you pay what you owe at the end of the year. If it's too high a percentage of what you should have withheld, you also pay a fine and interest, because that's money that you owed the IRS through the year.

I made a relatively minor miscalculation on my withholding last year, and owed a few thousand in tax at the end of the year. I avoided a fine because I'd never done it before, and because the percentage of my overall tax bill was relatively low. However, it resulted in me paying Estimated Taxes this year, where I have to pay 4 lump sums to the IRS, totaling the under-payment from last year. Even though I adjusted my withholding this year to correct last year's mistake, I won't get that additional Estimated Tax back until I file this year's return and get a big refund.

Just get a good accountant.

And YES, you have to pay Medicare. It's called funding the medical system for those less fortunate than yourself, and it's not optional (much as many in this country would like it to be). You can't just opt out of paying taxes for things you don't need. I'm sure you've never used Palin's bridge in Alaska either!
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Citys in your state have income tax? (only asking as I've never lived anywhere where one had to file anything other then state and federal.)
Here's a quote from the Tax Foundation;
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1815.html
"Today more than 18 million people live in cities which impose an income tax, and in addition countless other people who commute to these cities pay a tax on the income they earn within city boundaries. The city income tax, once considered a novelty, now provides substantial revenue in more than 170 municipalities, including 21 cities with population of at least 100,000 individuals.
Much of the expansion of the city income tax has place in recent years,..(etc).."

In New York State, two cities have income tax; Yonkers and New York City.
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Originally Posted by dbj1000
Aren't they the ones who've had endless trouble with their incompetent accountants and getting ITINs for the family?
I can't remember but if the accountant hasn't suggested joint filing I would kick him/her the kerb and quickly.
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Originally Posted by dbj1000
Aren't they the ones who've had endless trouble with their incompetent accountants and getting ITINs for the family?
we filed as the hugely incompetant accountants advised. We WONT be using them again rest assured!
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Originally Posted by MsElui
we filed as the hugely incompetant accountants advised. We WONT be using them again rest assured!
Good. We use an accountant who specialises in people like ourselves...have assests and income in other countries.
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Originally Posted by dbj1000
Fair enough - that's pretty definitive. Thank you.

Still can't work out why MsElui would choose to forgo her full range of tax credits and allowances by not filing jointly with her husband.
Depending on personal circumstances, in Ohio it can be cheaper to do Married Filing Separately. You pay more to the feds, but less to the state, and wind up ahead. Couples have to run the numbers both ways to find out which one is better for them. IIRC there aren't many states in which this is the case.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Citys in your state have income tax? (only asking as I've never lived anywhere where one had to file anything other then state and federal.)
Yes, some areas have an earned income tax. Some of them are specifically earmarked for schools which keep the property taxes down. You only pay on income earned, not pension, unemployment, profits from real estate, etc.
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Originally Posted by Bill_S
Depending on personal circumstances, in Ohio it can be cheaper to do Married Filing Separately. You pay more to the feds, but less to the state, and wind up ahead. Couples have to run the numbers both ways to find out which one is better for them. IIRC there aren't many states in which this is the case.
A program like TurboTax (we do online) figures it both ways for you.
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Originally Posted by dbj1000
You would have to file a tax return even if you'd been here less than 180 days. This isn't Britain. You have to file a tax return every year, even if you don't earn anything.

It's up to you whether you adjust your withholding because you're now married. Given that you're finding the whole tax thing daunting, I suggest you withhold lots this first year (unless you need that extra cash to live on) and then get a chunk back as a refund. People will tell you you're making an interest-free loan to the government, but if you're unsure it's better to be safe than to find yourself owing a big sum when you file your return.

Pay for a good accountant to file your first year's taxes. You don't sound like someone who's happy to work this all out for yourself (it can be done - all the info is on the IRS website, but it's a matter of personal taste whether you enjoy working out obscure tax issues). The first year here in the US you're not going to be a simple case that some moron at H&R Block can deal with, and you're probably not going to be able to struggle through with TurboTax. Find a qualified tax accountant who's done expatriate tax returns - many things that you paid in the UK may be deductible against your US taxes now that you're resident here for tax purposes.
Cheers.. I'm going to be that moron working at HR Block next year
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