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iceflow Jan 30th 2018 7:46 pm

Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 
I dug this out from a post a couple of years back. Does this still hold true do you know? There are two different rates quoted.

Thanks

For FBAR and 8938 (FATCA) you should use the Treasury end of year rate http://www.fms.treas.gov/intn.html#rates

The IRS Yearly Average Currency Rate may be used for, "income received evenly throughout the tax year" eg a regular pension payment. http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Inter...Exchange-Rates

MidAtlantic Jan 30th 2018 7:50 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by iceflow (Post 12430894)
I dug this out from a post a couple of years back. Does this still hold true do you know? There are two different rates quoted.

Thanks

For FBAR and 8938 (FATCA) you should use the Treasury end of year rate http://www.fms.treas.gov/intn.html#rates

The IRS Yearly Average Currency Rate may be used for, "income received evenly throughout the tax year" eg a regular pension payment. http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Inter...Exchange-Rates

Yes that is still the case. You do not have to use the Average Currency Rate but, in my experience, it has always been more favorable than using the mid-market rate for the date on which payments are received.

The direct link to the Treasury Rate is here:
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsre...rrentRates.htm

durham_lad Jan 30th 2018 8:24 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by MidAtlantic (Post 12430897)
Yes that is still the case. You do not have to use the Average Currency Rate but, in my experience, it has always been more favorable than using the mid-market rate for the date on which payments are received.

The direct link to the Treasury Rate is here:
https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsre...rrentRates.htm

+1

I maintain a spreadsheet with my UK monthly pension payments converted to $s using the rate on the dates I receive them. I then total the $s for the 12 payments and also calculate the annual £ total converted to $s using the published average IRS rate and it is also most advantageous to me to use the IRS average rate.

iceflow Jan 31st 2018 2:59 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 
OK folks, thanks

Lololita Jan 31st 2018 7:03 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 
I made a withdrawal for the first time from my UK personal pension and HMRC refunded my tax as it was less than the annual allowance. Do I have to pay US tax?

I think the answer is yes; I'm just asking to be sure, as I haven't read the Tax Treaty and I want to check here with people who may have read it in case there's anything that says if you're exempt in one country you're also exempt in the other, which may apply here. I'm both a UK and US citizen and am resident in the US.

Thanks.

lansbury Jan 31st 2018 7:22 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 
I think you are subject to US tax.

durham_lad Jan 31st 2018 7:46 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 12431842)
I think you are subject to US tax.

+1

I was a dual citizen also living in the USA when I started receiving a UK pension. Even now that I am back in the UK I still pay US taxes on my UK pensions (I now receive 2 of them). I create a substitute 1099-R for each of my pensions. However I now also pay UK tax on my UK pensions so I claim an FTC on my US taxes so I am not double taxed.

Hanco Jan 29th 2019 2:31 am

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 
Hi all, I normally use the exchange rates shown here: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...exchange-rates

Maybe I need to wait until Feb 2019, or just give them chance to update after the shutdown? (It only shows up to 2017. No 2018 numbers for sterling to the dollar yet)

What do you do for UK income you received in 2018?

Giantaxe Jan 29th 2019 2:42 am

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by Hanco (Post 12628941)
Hi all, I normally use the exchange rates shown here: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...exchange-rates

Maybe I need to wait until Feb 2019, or just give them chance to update after the shutdown? (It only shows up to 2017. No 2018 numbers for sterling to the dollar yet)

What do you do for UK income you received in 2018?

They have indeed been delayed because of the shutdown. Presumably they'll appear over the next three weeks (before the next shutdown :-)).

durham_lad Jan 29th 2019 8:36 am

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by Hanco (Post 12628941)
Hi all, I normally use the exchange rates shown here: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...exchange-rates

Maybe I need to wait until Feb 2019, or just give them chance to update after the shutdown? (It only shows up to 2017. No 2018 numbers for sterling to the dollar yet)

What do you do for UK income you received in 2018?

I also use the exchange rate in the link above but have never filed before the IRS 2018 rates have been released. If you look at my post above you'll see an alternative IRS accepted method used XE.com but I have always found that the IRS average rate is much more advantageous to me. Well worth waiting until that rate is published IMO.

MidAtlantic Jan 29th 2019 11:24 am

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by durham_lad (Post 12629030)
I also use the exchange rate in the link above but have never filed before the IRS 2018 rates have been released. If you look at my post above you'll see an alternative IRS accepted method used XE.com but I have always found that the IRS average rate is much more advantageous to me. Well worth waiting until that rate is published IMO.

I agree.

MidAtlantic Jan 30th 2019 2:12 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 
The IRS Yearly Average Currency Exchange Rates for 2018 are now published. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...exchange-rates

Yeah, my tax return will soon be on the way!

durham_lad Jan 30th 2019 2:42 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by MidAtlantic (Post 12629797)
The IRS Yearly Average Currency Exchange Rates for 2018 are now published. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...exchange-rates

Yeah, my tax return will soon be on the way!


Cool, thanks for the update.

MMcD Jan 30th 2019 7:05 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 

Originally Posted by MidAtlantic (Post 12629797)
The IRS Yearly Average Currency Exchange Rates for 2018 are now published. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...exchange-rates

Yeah, my tax return will soon be on the way!

Thanks for that

lansbury Jan 31st 2019 6:35 pm

Re: Tax Filing - Exchange Rates
 
Thanks. They don’t seem to have quite as generous this year with their rate. I think they may have heard about transferwise and spot rates. :rofl:


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