tax advice
#16
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My situation is I was born in the UK and have lived/worked there all my life. I am lucky enough to have dual nationality purely because my mother was born and lived in America for her childhood. As I have never worked or lived in America, is there still a requirement for me to file a tax return?
I am not trying to avoid doing so, just want to understand why I would be required to. I am obviously not entitled to any tax rebate from the IRS, as I have never paid taxes on any earnings in the US. Thanks to anyone who can answer this.
I am not trying to avoid doing so, just want to understand why I would be required to. I am obviously not entitled to any tax rebate from the IRS, as I have never paid taxes on any earnings in the US. Thanks to anyone who can answer this.
The US taxes you on the basis of your citizenship, rather than where you reside, which is very unusual.
You may also need to file the Treasury Dept. FBAR form to declare your foreign assets, which as it says on it is not a tax form.
If you've never filed a US tax return the IRS usually asks you to file returns for the last seven years. The foreign exclusion limit didn't exist prior to 2006.
I know it sounds like a pain, but once you've done one it's pretty easy, you only need to know what your income was in US dollars for each year really, that's the hard bit.
If you don't have a social security number you can file an SS-5 with the embassy with proof of US citizenship.
Also you may want to file Form 8822 so they know your address and will send you a tax package every year.
#17
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Form 2555 is used for the first, Form 1116 is the latter. As he resides abroad there is no foreign tax credit.
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Thanks everyone,
Steve - are all these forms available on the IRS website? That is including the SS5 as I have never had a social security number.
I'm still a little confused by this (for a change) but I gather I should be filing these forms every year even though I have lived/worked in the UK my whole life, and will do so straight away.
Just to answer penguin's query from an earlier post, I am definitely considered a US citizen and own a current US passport. This is purely because my mother met the criteria you have listed, and applied for my first US passport when I was a child, which I have continued to renew along with my UK passport.
Steve - are all these forms available on the IRS website? That is including the SS5 as I have never had a social security number.
I'm still a little confused by this (for a change) but I gather I should be filing these forms every year even though I have lived/worked in the UK my whole life, and will do so straight away.
Just to answer penguin's query from an earlier post, I am definitely considered a US citizen and own a current US passport. This is purely because my mother met the criteria you have listed, and applied for my first US passport when I was a child, which I have continued to renew along with my UK passport.
Last edited by gworrall; Jul 26th 2011 at 6:08 pm.
#19
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And just to clarify for the OP - yes you need to file a tax return but unless your income is over the foreign exclusion limit + the foreign living expense limit you owe no tax. It's just a requirement to file bits of paper. And don't listen to people who tell you to go out and get an accountant or TurboTax either until you've at least read the instructions on the Form 2555, it's not brain surgery.
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Steve -
You are exactly the person I have been looking for, and I had no intention of paying an accountant to tell me how to complete a couple of forms!
How can I find out the what the limits you mention are? I have seen different figures listed online and also in this thread. Is there a definitive answer online anywhere?
Thanks everyone for your responses.
You are exactly the person I have been looking for, and I had no intention of paying an accountant to tell me how to complete a couple of forms!
How can I find out the what the limits you mention are? I have seen different figures listed online and also in this thread. Is there a definitive answer online anywhere?
Thanks everyone for your responses.
#21
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This is the FBAR form: http://www.fincen.gov/forms/files/f9022-1_fbar.pdf
I'm still a little confused by this (for a change) but I gather I should be filing these forms every year even though I have lived worked in the UK my whole life, and will do so straight away.
There is a calculation on there of how much you can exclude.
#22
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I'm not sure I'm following you but I'll say it anyway because it happens quite often that people get confused - foreign exclusion limit and the foreign tax credit are different things.
Form 2555 is used for the first, Form 1116 is the latter. As he resides abroad there is no foreign tax credit.
Form 2555 is used for the first, Form 1116 is the latter. As he resides abroad there is no foreign tax credit.
If the exclusions are taken, foreign tax credits are not calculated for the amount of the excluded income and the only foreign tax credits that can be used are from the unearned income.
Therefore sometimes it is not beneficial to take the exclusions.
The exclusions are usually only beneficial to Americans living in a low tax country but probably won't make a difference whether they are used or not for people living in a high tax country. If the exclusions are not used in a high tax country, the foreign tax credits will normally be much greater than any possible US tax liability.
For example if you paid $30,000 in foreign taxes and would have a US tax liability of $20,000 if exclusions or tax credit were not used, you would have $0 tax credits if all that income was excluded so you would own $0 in US taxes but have $30,000 in tax credits to offset a $20,000 US tax liability if exclusions were not taken. In this case, it doesn't make any difference.
Last edited by Michael; Jul 26th 2011 at 6:56 pm.
#23
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And just to clarify for the OP - yes you need to file a tax return but unless your income is over the foreign exclusion limit + the foreign living expense limit you owe no tax. It's just a requirement to file bits of paper. And don't listen to people who tell you to go out and get an accountant or TurboTax either until you've at least read the instructions on the Form 2555, it's not brain surgery.
Areas where I would be particularly careful are declaration and paying of tax on UK pension contributions, US/UK tax treaty issues, UK ISAs and UK pooled investments like unit trusts or stocks and shares ISAs. If the OP has any of those things get more complicated.
Last edited by nun; Jul 26th 2011 at 10:07 pm.