Supreme Court starting to hear health care case
Well at least this will provide some distraction to the presidential race:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17513609 I don't know why, but I found the map of %uninsured by state interesting. I'm guessing some of that is driven by immigration trends, but Oregon & Montana? |
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Yeah, I just saw that and noticed Texas was in the >25% uninsured level.
It really is a dividing line between the poor and everyone else. Individual plans are way more expensive that group plans and chances are that those that are considered 'middle class' or above are likely to be in jobs that offer group insurance policies and the accompanying rates. |
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Originally Posted by Mr Weeze
(Post 9973267)
Well at least this will provide some distraction to the presidential race:
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 9973313)
On the contrary, this case could well define the presidential race.
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I do like how having to have medical insurance is a intrusion to ones civil liberties, but most people don't have a problem being forced into the same for car insurance.
Some people, they're just to dumb to be allowed outside of their basements. |
Re: Supreme Court starting to hear health care case
Originally Posted by Mr Weeze
(Post 9973267)
I'm guessing some of that is driven by immigration trends, but Oregon & Montana?
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Re: Supreme Court starting to hear health care case
Originally Posted by Bob
(Post 9973384)
I do like how having to have medical insurance is a intrusion to ones civil liberties, but most people don't have a problem being forced into the same for car insurance.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 9973499)
You don't have to drive a car so I'm unconvinced this is an equivalent. Additionally, some states allow you to post a bond in lieu of insurance.
I think some parts of the law are valid, but the universal mandate is the major issue. BTW SCOTUS even challenged the admin, including Dems: Is it a tax or penalty. That is a key point of the reach of congress in the commerce clause. I do fear that 2nd and 3rd order effects of this law for many, their employers will drop coverage in favor of the fine, its cheaper to the employers. |
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You don't have to drive a car so I'm unconvinced this is an equivalent. Concur. I do not need airplane insurance, yet I fly or vacation insurance when I take a vacation. It all seems so simple :confused: |
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Originally Posted by Brit3964
(Post 9973998)
True. You could choose not to have a car and walk or use public transport. You could choose not to have health insurance because you think you won't need it. When you do fall ill or have an unexpected medical problem, you'll either pay direct out-of-pocket and/or go bankrupt or go to the ER and let everybody else pay for you.
It all seems so simple :confused: |
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 9973499)
You don't have to drive a car so I'm unconvinced this is an equivalent. Additionally, some states allow you to post a bond in lieu of insurance.
Only difference is, you get a ticket for not having insurance for your car, rather than a fine at tax time without having medical insurance. |
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 9974002)
The "get out of jail card" of going to the emergency room is a critical part of the debate, imo. But I suspect Scalia et al will respond that if Congress is bothered about this, they should pass a law that excludes people without the ability to pay from ER treatment.
It all seemed so simple :confused: |
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Originally Posted by Bob
(Post 9974018)
Okay, some states, such as New Hampshire don't require you to have any car insurance, but as the state is the size of the pimple on my arse and you can't drive without insurance in the neighbouring states that's a bit moot for a freedom, when you consider only kids are about the only people who don't drive here and that having a car is a requirement, meaning car insurance is a requirement.
Only difference is, you get a ticket for not having insurance for your car, rather than a fine at tax time without having medical insurance. If I am an employer , I can cancel health insurance benefits for my employees because it is cheaper for me to pay the fine., than pay for their insurance. The gov't then provides health care banks to buy insurance from since it is the law they have to have it. It is cheaper for the employee to pay the fine, and not have the insurance. Is "their" insurance better, noone knows, "we have to pass the bill to know whats in it." (Nancy P.) We still have the same problem, but larger. Unintended consequences of politicians dealing with the market. 2 fragments for Eb. |
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Originally Posted by SATX John
(Post 9973971)
I do fear that 2nd and 3rd order effects of this law for many, their employers will drop coverage in favor of the fine, its cheaper to the employers.
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