Social Security ups and downs
Jun 12th 2006, 11:37 pm
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Social Security ups and downs
Hi All.
Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
I made the Number One mistake of handing over Sadegh's original SS card (we do have a photocopy at home, of course). I did that, thinking since I'm doing this on his behalf, better to supply them with all the evidence necessary. I turned over his old SS card, his original green card, his passport, and a completed SS-5 form.
At first, the rep, Barry, said I couldn't even do this for Sadegh, that he needed to do it himself in person. I told him, no, he's mistaken, I CAN do this...and he said OK. He looked over all the documents, and wanted to see Sadegh's State ID showing his photo and signature. Evidently the SS-5 form and the SS card have signatures but no photos....and the green card and passport have photos but no signature! Argh! So I said, I thought all you had to do was match the name, DOB, and status with what's in your system, and see his green card? He said Ohhhh you're making this tough on me today! I remained silent while he punched in the information in the computer.
Then he goes OK, you're all set. He hands me back the green card and passport. I asked for the original SS card back, and he said no, he is required to destroy it (I guess I was under the impression that if I ASKED for it back, he had to return it....but maybe I was wrong?). So, I asked if he could double check on that somehow, and he said no. I asked if I could speak with a supervisor to verify that, and he said no. I must have asked him 3 or 4 times if he could double check with someone, or let me speak to a supervisor, and he said NO each time.
He said, the reason being, that if Sadegh tried to use his old card, now that his status is changed in the system, he could go to jail. HUH? The card says valid with DHS work authorization. Isn't the green card a form of work authorization?? Couldn't he use that SS card with the legend, and if an employer has doubts, he can show his GC?? Anyway, I was tired of arguing, so I just said fine, and left. Halfway home, I thought....at least I can get the receipt showing he applied for a new card.
So I turned around and just made it back in the door before closing time. The guard said I can just walk up to Barry's window and ask for the receipt...which I did. Guess what the answer was? NO. He can't give ME a receipt...only Sadegh, and he's not here. He can MAIL a receipt to him, but he can't hand me one today. I was soooooooooooo ticked off. He said he's not allowed to give me anything from SS showing Sadegh's status, he can only give that directly to HIM. So, I guess he is allowed to change important data in the system under my directive....but not hand me a piece of paper stating he did that?? Very strange, if you ask me. I have Sadegh's GC in my hands....I already KNOW his status!
Anyway....hopefully the new card comes in the predicted 2 weeks and I didn't create more hassle by trying to help him out here. Barry did say that they don't need to do a manual verification this time around, though...so hopefully the new card comes in the 2 week time.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,
Rene
Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
I made the Number One mistake of handing over Sadegh's original SS card (we do have a photocopy at home, of course). I did that, thinking since I'm doing this on his behalf, better to supply them with all the evidence necessary. I turned over his old SS card, his original green card, his passport, and a completed SS-5 form.
At first, the rep, Barry, said I couldn't even do this for Sadegh, that he needed to do it himself in person. I told him, no, he's mistaken, I CAN do this...and he said OK. He looked over all the documents, and wanted to see Sadegh's State ID showing his photo and signature. Evidently the SS-5 form and the SS card have signatures but no photos....and the green card and passport have photos but no signature! Argh! So I said, I thought all you had to do was match the name, DOB, and status with what's in your system, and see his green card? He said Ohhhh you're making this tough on me today! I remained silent while he punched in the information in the computer.
Then he goes OK, you're all set. He hands me back the green card and passport. I asked for the original SS card back, and he said no, he is required to destroy it (I guess I was under the impression that if I ASKED for it back, he had to return it....but maybe I was wrong?). So, I asked if he could double check on that somehow, and he said no. I asked if I could speak with a supervisor to verify that, and he said no. I must have asked him 3 or 4 times if he could double check with someone, or let me speak to a supervisor, and he said NO each time.
He said, the reason being, that if Sadegh tried to use his old card, now that his status is changed in the system, he could go to jail. HUH? The card says valid with DHS work authorization. Isn't the green card a form of work authorization?? Couldn't he use that SS card with the legend, and if an employer has doubts, he can show his GC?? Anyway, I was tired of arguing, so I just said fine, and left. Halfway home, I thought....at least I can get the receipt showing he applied for a new card.
So I turned around and just made it back in the door before closing time. The guard said I can just walk up to Barry's window and ask for the receipt...which I did. Guess what the answer was? NO. He can't give ME a receipt...only Sadegh, and he's not here. He can MAIL a receipt to him, but he can't hand me one today. I was soooooooooooo ticked off. He said he's not allowed to give me anything from SS showing Sadegh's status, he can only give that directly to HIM. So, I guess he is allowed to change important data in the system under my directive....but not hand me a piece of paper stating he did that?? Very strange, if you ask me. I have Sadegh's GC in my hands....I already KNOW his status!
Anyway....hopefully the new card comes in the predicted 2 weeks and I didn't create more hassle by trying to help him out here. Barry did say that they don't need to do a manual verification this time around, though...so hopefully the new card comes in the 2 week time.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,
Rene
Last edited by Noorah101; Jun 12th 2006 at 11:44 pm.
Jun 12th 2006, 11:41 pm
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by Noorah101
Hi All.
Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,
Rene
Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,
Rene
Jun 12th 2006, 11:48 pm
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by gruffbrown
If it's any consolation, I did mine 2 months ago, I needed a SS card without conditions to get my NJ drivers license. They took my old card off me and the new one turned up in about 10 days.
Thanks
Rene
Jun 13th 2006, 12:25 am
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by Noorah101
Whew, thanks for that. Sadegh is in the midst of job-hunting, and I'd hate to see him lose a chance because he doesn't have a SS card or letter from SS to verify anything...due to my fault.
And anyway, Sadegh has his SS number, that and greencard will be enough to get a job, he can always show the actual SS card at a later date if they want to see it, but they don't really need to see if as the greencard and number is enough.
Jun 13th 2006, 12:26 am
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by Bob
And anyway, Sadegh has his SS number, that and greencard will be enough to get a job, he can always show the actual SS card at a later date if they want to see it, but they don't really need to see if as the greencard and number is enough.
Jun 13th 2006, 12:34 am
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by gruffbrown
If it's any consolation, I did mine 2 months ago, I needed a SS card without conditions to get my NJ drivers license. They took my old card off me and the new one turned up in about 10 days.
Same happened to me too! Good luck Rene and Sadegh!
Jun 13th 2006, 12:45 am
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
uh oh, "someone" is gonna blow a gasket!
1- never give up the old card. you 'left it at home'.
2-GC has a siggy on the back
3-Barry is NOT required to destroy the old card. But he might think so.
4-Barry is supposed to let you speak to a manager
5-Barry's reason was BS/you are right about the GC
6-I wouldn't believe Barry if he told me that it gets hot in Phoenix -or- anything he told me about receipts
LOL, fun with SSA!
I see a phone call in Barry's future... <g>
1- never give up the old card. you 'left it at home'.
2-GC has a siggy on the back
3-Barry is NOT required to destroy the old card. But he might think so.
4-Barry is supposed to let you speak to a manager
5-Barry's reason was BS/you are right about the GC
6-I wouldn't believe Barry if he told me that it gets hot in Phoenix -or- anything he told me about receipts
LOL, fun with SSA!
I see a phone call in Barry's future... <g>
Jun 13th 2006, 1:43 am
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by Noorah101
Hi All.
Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
I made the Number One mistake of handing over Sadegh's original SS card (we do have a photocopy at home, of course). I did that, thinking since I'm doing this on his behalf, better to supply them with all the evidence necessary. I turned over his old SS card, his original green card, his passport, and a completed SS-5 form.
At first, the rep, Barry, said I couldn't even do this for Sadegh, that he needed to do it himself in person. I told him, no, he's mistaken, I CAN do this...and he said OK. He looked over all the documents, and wanted to see Sadegh's State ID showing his photo and signature. Evidently the SS-5 form and the SS card have signatures but no photos....and the green card and passport have photos but no signature! Argh! So I said, I thought all you had to do was match the name, DOB, and status with what's in your system, and see his green card? He said Ohhhh you're making this tough on me today! I remained silent while he punched in the information in the computer.
Then he goes OK, you're all set. He hands me back the green card and passport. I asked for the original SS card back, and he said no, he is required to destroy it (I guess I was under the impression that if I ASKED for it back, he had to return it....but maybe I was wrong?). So, I asked if he could double check on that somehow, and he said no. I asked if I could speak with a supervisor to verify that, and he said no. I must have asked him 3 or 4 times if he could double check with someone, or let me speak to a supervisor, and he said NO each time.
He said, the reason being, that if Sadegh tried to use his old card, now that his status is changed in the system, he could go to jail. HUH? The card says valid with DHS work authorization. Isn't the green card a form of work authorization. He can MAIL a receipt to him, but he can't hand me one today. I was soooooooooooo ticked off. He said he's not Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,
Rene
Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
I made the Number One mistake of handing over Sadegh's original SS card (we do have a photocopy at home, of course). I did that, thinking since I'm doing this on his behalf, better to supply them with all the evidence necessary. I turned over his old SS card, his original green card, his passport, and a completed SS-5 form.
At first, the rep, Barry, said I couldn't even do this for Sadegh, that he needed to do it himself in person. I told him, no, he's mistaken, I CAN do this...and he said OK. He looked over all the documents, and wanted to see Sadegh's State ID showing his photo and signature. Evidently the SS-5 form and the SS card have signatures but no photos....and the green card and passport have photos but no signature! Argh! So I said, I thought all you had to do was match the name, DOB, and status with what's in your system, and see his green card? He said Ohhhh you're making this tough on me today! I remained silent while he punched in the information in the computer.
Then he goes OK, you're all set. He hands me back the green card and passport. I asked for the original SS card back, and he said no, he is required to destroy it (I guess I was under the impression that if I ASKED for it back, he had to return it....but maybe I was wrong?). So, I asked if he could double check on that somehow, and he said no. I asked if I could speak with a supervisor to verify that, and he said no. I must have asked him 3 or 4 times if he could double check with someone, or let me speak to a supervisor, and he said NO each time.
He said, the reason being, that if Sadegh tried to use his old card, now that his status is changed in the system, he could go to jail. HUH? The card says valid with DHS work authorization. Isn't the green card a form of work authorization. He can MAIL a receipt to him, but he can't hand me one today. I was soooooooooooo ticked off. He said he's not Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,
Rene
Dang! What an ordeal!
My social security card never had the legend on the back so I guess I will be good once I receive my green card!!
Jun 13th 2006, 3:02 am
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by Hypertweeky
Dang! What an ordeal!
My social security card never had the legend on the back so I guess I will be good once I receive my green card!!
My social security card never had the legend on the back so I guess I will be good once I receive my green card!!
Jun 13th 2006, 5:13 am
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by meauxna
uh oh, "someone" is gonna blow a gasket!
1- never give up the old card. you 'left it at home'.
2-GC has a siggy on the back
3-Barry is NOT required to destroy the old card. But he might think so.
4-Barry is supposed to let you speak to a manager
5-Barry's reason was BS/you are right about the GC
6-I wouldn't believe Barry if he told me that it gets hot in Phoenix -or- anything he told me about receipts
LOL, fun with SSA!
I see a phone call in Barry's future... <g>
1- never give up the old card. you 'left it at home'.
2-GC has a siggy on the back
3-Barry is NOT required to destroy the old card. But he might think so.
4-Barry is supposed to let you speak to a manager
5-Barry's reason was BS/you are right about the GC
6-I wouldn't believe Barry if he told me that it gets hot in Phoenix -or- anything he told me about receipts
LOL, fun with SSA!
I see a phone call in Barry's future... <g>
1. Barry must return the SS card if I request it back.
2. Barry must let me speak to a higher-up
3. Barry must have given me a receipt, even though I did it on my spouse's behalf.
THEN someone is going to get an in-person visit with documents in hand!
I waffled between wanting to "leave the card at home" and wanting to present everything right away to get out of there faster. Looking back on it, how much you want to bet if I hadn't had the card with me, Barry would have said NO he can't process the request, and NO I still can't speak to a manager!!
Rene
Jun 13th 2006, 3:54 pm
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Hi, all. Thought I'd ask a question. I still have my SS card with the "INS" (it's old!) legend on it. I've never had any problems either getting a job or a driver's license with that on there. Is it necessary to remove this legend, or do people just do it for their individual needs? BTW, I'm an LPR.
Kate. xxx
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Jun 13th 2006, 4:47 pm
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by katesbackagain
Hi, all. Thought I'd ask a question. I still have my SS card with the "INS" (it's old!) legend on it. I've never had any problems either getting a job or a driver's license with that on there. Is it necessary to remove this legend, or do people just do it for their individual needs? BTW, I'm an LPR.
Kate. xxx
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Jun 13th 2006, 5:54 pm
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
"neil" <member34761@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
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|
| I'm interested in that too - why do I need to change it. It's
| interesting that gruffbrown indicates he needed it for an NJ license. I
| know the card is one of the many forms of ID that can be presented but
| it's only worth 1 point of the 6 points needed in the forms of ID chart,
| and is equivalent to a bank statement so I'd be interested to hear why
| it was needed. I've only ever had my NJ license under my L1 visa, but
| will be updating it soon so it can get extended when my green card
| arrives so would like to know whether this will affect me.
|
Where is this ID chart you are talking about?
I've never considered an SSN card to be an ID by itself nor do I know of any
institution that would accept an SSN card as a form of real ID.
It has no photo of the real owner (as of yet) and you can't positively
connect it to the bearer without asking for another form of real ID.
news:[email protected] m...
|
|
| I'm interested in that too - why do I need to change it. It's
| interesting that gruffbrown indicates he needed it for an NJ license. I
| know the card is one of the many forms of ID that can be presented but
| it's only worth 1 point of the 6 points needed in the forms of ID chart,
| and is equivalent to a bank statement so I'd be interested to hear why
| it was needed. I've only ever had my NJ license under my L1 visa, but
| will be updating it soon so it can get extended when my green card
| arrives so would like to know whether this will affect me.
|
Where is this ID chart you are talking about?
I've never considered an SSN card to be an ID by itself nor do I know of any
institution that would accept an SSN card as a form of real ID.
It has no photo of the real owner (as of yet) and you can't positively
connect it to the bearer without asking for another form of real ID.
Jun 13th 2006, 6:21 pm
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
In article <[email protected]> ,
Noorah101 <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi All.
>Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social
>security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization
>legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours
>for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
[cut]
Except for Barry being really obnoxious, and our person (I'll call her
Tanisha) being friendly, sounds right about the same. Mind you, I went in
person (with my wife there) to do it, rather than having my wife go by
herself.
-showed her GC and old SS card
-she took SS card
-typed away for ~10 minutes
-about 3-5 days later got a receipt in the mail saying "you've applied for a
new SS card"
-about 10-12 days later got new SS card in the mail.
MH
ps. just curious how Sadegh was able to carry his GC with him at all times
when you had it instead.. Some have implied it's a violation of federal law
to not have one's GC with one at all times.
Noorah101 <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi All.
>Since I discovered it was permissible for me (the USC) to go to social
>security and apply for a new card (to remove the work-authorization
>legend) for my PR status husband, I did that today. Waited for 2 hours
>for my turn, and although it got done, I wasn't 100% satisfied.
[cut]
Except for Barry being really obnoxious, and our person (I'll call her
Tanisha) being friendly, sounds right about the same. Mind you, I went in
person (with my wife there) to do it, rather than having my wife go by
herself.
-showed her GC and old SS card
-she took SS card
-typed away for ~10 minutes
-about 3-5 days later got a receipt in the mail saying "you've applied for a
new SS card"
-about 10-12 days later got new SS card in the mail.
MH
ps. just curious how Sadegh was able to carry his GC with him at all times
when you had it instead.. Some have implied it's a violation of federal law
to not have one's GC with one at all times.
Jun 13th 2006, 6:48 pm
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Re: Social Security ups and downs
Originally Posted by Voltes34
Where is this ID chart you are talking about?
I've never considered an SSN card to be an ID by itself nor do I know of any
institution that would accept an SSN card as a form of real ID.
It has no photo of the real owner (as of yet) and you can't positively
connect it to the bearer without asking for another form of real ID.
