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Old Sep 13th 2016, 10:44 pm
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So, with all advice about academic jobs, I have broadened my thinking. And in so doing, I have found a possible job at UoU in Salt Lake City. I think that would have been the close to the bottom of my list, but the job would be really interesting. So, my question is what would it be like, socially in particular? I was worried about religion and conservative views in Texas - would it be a million times worse? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!!
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Old Sep 13th 2016, 11:25 pm
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It'll be fine...





...so long as you're a Mormon.
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oooooooh the skiing!
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Old Sep 14th 2016, 12:59 am
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So, with all advice about academic jobs, I have broadened my thinking. And in so doing, I have found a possible job at UoU in Salt Lake City.
Good. Apply for it.

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I think that would have been the close to the bottom of my list, but the job would be really interesting. So, my question is what would it be like, socially in particular? I was worried about religion and conservative views in Texas - would it be a million times worse?
These are all questions for when you have the job offer.


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Any advice would be appreciated!
Apply. Then apply for 20 other jobs. Then do your best to forget about every single one.

Honestly, my time on the academic job market was absolutely the most unsettled/unsettling period of my life. Emotionally investing in a job at all is the path to madness. You will have your heart broken again and again and again

If it's academically worthwhile, apply. If it's not, don't. Choosing your location is a luxury that you can consider when you have more than one job offer, and not a moment before.
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I have heard nothing but good things about Utah, and the primary influence of the mormons appears, based on everything I have ever heard, is that the state is remarkably clean and safe. I am not a mormon, but would have no qualms about moving there, though that is relatively unlikely. I'd certainly take a job there over one in New York given a straight choice between two job offers.

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I've been to SLC for work a few times.

If you like coffee, and craft beer - then you'll be in luck - it has a thriving scene of both. The people I've worked with there were split 50/50 mormon and non mormon. All of us would go out to a bar - the mormons wouldn't drink, the non mormons would, and everyone got on. The office had a coffee machine and free soda. Starbucks were everywhere.

The non mormons did say that they were warned against living in certain areas that were overwhelmingly mormon - for their own sanity (one who lived in a mormon area was basically ignored after they found out that his family didn't go to the "ward" in that area).

The other benefit of being a non mormon was apparently places like cinemas and costco were pretty much deserted on Sundays.

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Good. Apply for it.



These are all questions for when you have the job offer.




Apply. Then apply for 20 other jobs. Then do your best to forget about every single one.

Honestly, my time on the academic job market was absolutely the most unsettled/unsettling period of my life. Emotionally investing in a job at all is the path to madness. You will have your heart broken again and again and again

If it's academically worthwhile, apply. If it's not, don't. Choosing your location is a luxury that you can consider when you have more than one job offer, and not a moment before.
I wasn't planning to apply for a year, but the job is a very niche job I might fit. BUT I do need to work out if my family and I could settle in and be happy there.

The climate sounds fantastic, but it feels a LONG way away, physically and culturally. No matter how amazing the job sounds, it is a balance between a great job and a great family and social life.
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Deadshoppingmalls I don't drink coffee or alcohol 😁 But cinema on a Sunday sounds good.
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Originally Posted by Wanderingacademic View Post
I wasn't planning to apply for a year, but the job is a very niche job I might fit. BUT I do need to work out if my family and I could settle in and be happy there.

The climate sounds fantastic, but it feels a LONG way away, physically and culturally. No matter how amazing the job sounds, it is a balance between a great job and a great family and social life.
That's because it IS a long way away. Are you aware that the college would have to sponsor you for a visa to the tune of several thousand dollars?

You can NOT apply yourself and, although not totally impossible, it does tend to be unlikely, unless your skill is really niche.
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Retzie's post above reminded me of a something my daughter told me last weekend - this may or may not be news to wanderingacademic.

She was talking to one of her professors - newly arrived from MIT and brilliant. He's german and he was talking about the problems that european academics have when they want to get a job in an american college. It boils down to lack of published research when compared to the US academics. So, his advice to her was not to do her PhD in Europe if her end plan was to work in the USA.

This may not be true for wanderingacademic but it does make me think that if your end plan is to work in the USA then apply for any job you think you can get, the sooner the better and start getting your work published.

If the current job postings are for a start date in a year, then I would apply for them and start trying to get feedback for any that you don't get. This will be invaluable information in any case and you never know, you might actually get a job.
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My SIL and husband (both British) live nearby in Park City and love it there.
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It's gorgeous and the Mormons are actually very nice! Apparently there is a bit of a problem with pollution but I've visited loads and never noticed. Best of luck!
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I wasn't planning to apply for a year, but the job is a very niche job I might fit.
As in, apply in a year to start Fall 2018? Is there some reason to think it will still be open?? If you want to be starting in a year, you need to be applying now.

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BUT I do need to work out if my family and I could settle in and be happy there.
I'm not saying these are not reasonable questions. I'm just saying they are reasonable questions to ask when you have a job offer.

The more research you do, the more invested you get, the higher the stress, etc. Just apply and worry about it when (if) you get an offer.


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He's german and he was talking about the problems that european academics have when they want to get a job in an american college. It boils down to lack of published research when compared to the US academics. So, his advice to her was not to do her PhD in Europe if her end plan was to work in the USA.
It's not just papers, it's also the teaching culture. US grad students do MUCH more teaching than elsewhere, so the odds are massively in their favour for entry-level academic positions with a teaching component.

There is also the small matter of (generally low) academic standards in the US. It is an almighty shock to the system for us foreigners, and sometimes departments don't want to take a chance on the Romanian/Indian/*cough*Australian who might fail a whole class
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The filth are a bit trigger happy with the speed camera radar there
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Originally Posted by Cynnaminrye View Post
It's gorgeous and the Mormons are actually very nice! Apparently there is a bit of a problem with pollution but I've visited loads and never noticed. Best of luck!
It actually does have a bit of an air pollution problem given the mountains and trapping air coming in from other states. I think it technically rates as one of the top ten worst places in the USA for air pollution.

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