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Old Nov 14th 2006, 1:47 pm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6146058.stm

A lawyers' group has asked Germany to sue former US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld over alleged prisoner abuse in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.


The complaint was filed by the US-based Center for Constitutional Rights on behalf of a Saudi man held in Cuba and 11 Iraqis held in Baghdad. German law allows the pursuit of cases originating anywhere in the world.

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Originally Posted by kingfisher241049
German law allows the pursuit of cases originating anywhere in the world.


how does that work then?
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how does that work then?
I guess the Germans own the world, lol. I would like to see them bring charges, and try to get Rumsfeld sent over to Germany to stand trial. Not going to happen I reckon.
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Would think most of the current US executive regime will be arrestable for war crimes if they dare to step foot in the free world, especially after they've left office.
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Would think most of the current US executive regime will be arrestable for war crimes if they dare to step foot in the free world, especially after they've left office.
Well if they left the US voluntarily I guess they could be picked up anywhere with an international warrant or something. maybe the current members of the regime had better stay stateside for the next 10 years or so.
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Well if they left the US voluntarily I guess they could be picked up anywhere with an international warrant or something. maybe the current members of the regime had better stay stateside for the next 10 years or so.

No statute of limitations on war crimes, I believe!
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I saw this at the weekend, I assumed it was a piss take, I mean it has Colbert Nation etc written all over it.

But seems that truth is stranger than fiction.

Payback for Nuremberg?
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Originally Posted by kingfisher241049
Well if they left the US voluntarily I guess they could be picked up anywhere with an international warrant or something. maybe the current members of the regime had better stay stateside for the next 10 years or so.
It would be interesting though if they tried to arrest George W while his Secret Service guard were hanging around. Not sure what would happen thre.
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Originally Posted by kingfisher241049
It would be interesting though if they tried to arrest George W while his Secret Service guard were hanging around. Not sure what would happen thre.
Diplomatic Immunity

Same as Castro and Imnidimijab got.
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Diplomatic Immunity

Same as Castro and Imnidimijab got.
Not sure about Diplomatic Immunity after George W leaves Office. But he will always have Secret Service protection. So if he goes overseas as a private citizen, he could still be arrested. I doubt the Secret Service would allow that to happen.
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Originally Posted by kingfisher241049
Not sure about Diplomatic Immunity after George W leaves Office. But he will always have Secret Service protection. So if he goes overseas as a private citizen, he could still be arrested. I doubt the Secret Service would allow that to happen.
He will only have protection for 10 yrs after he leaves office.
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how does that work then?
The same as the US taking Iran to court, I'd expect.
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Nice thought, but, isn't the CIA in charge of Interrogation of the
prisoners?

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Originally Posted by Boiler
Diplomatic Immunity

Same as Castro and Imnidimijab got.
diplomatic immunity does not apply to war crimes.

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Originally Posted by kingfisher241049
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6146058.stm

A lawyers' group has asked Germany to sue former US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld over alleged prisoner abuse in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.


The complaint was filed by the US-based Center for Constitutional Rights on behalf of a Saudi man held in Cuba and 11 Iraqis held in Baghdad. German law allows the pursuit of cases originating anywhere in the world.

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I'd be quite interested in following this one actually.

The yanks did a similar thing years ago. (In the 70s or 80s)

Brit "Mr Nice" was found guilty for a drugs crime (or 20) based in Europe, not involving any yanks, not involving America, not in USA etc etc....I think that the crime he was done for was undertaken in Ireland.
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