Reporting distributions in UK PFICs
#17
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Re: Reporting distributions in UK PFICs
The US wants to punish you for having these because they were not originally subject to american rules to force income to be realized. In the 80's America was behind the rest of the world in tax deferral.
America has moved on but the PFIC rules remain.
A PFIC can be taxed in three ways.
QEF - Means treat this fund as if it's an American fund. Has to be made when you buy the fund or become a US person otherwise you end up looking like you sold the fund. You can't do it retroactively. You need the fund to have reported lots of stuff to America. Unlikely you can do this.
M2M - Mark to market. You pay income tax on the gains of the fund year on year. You have to elect this and you get the same problems as QEF. You can't do it retroactively.
The default when you don't elect is sec 1291. A mindbogglingly complex system where your gains are spread over the years you owned the fund and you pay the highest marginal tax rate anyone could pay plus interest compounded daily for each day to the present day. I have had to do this stuff because my wife had PFICs.
#18
Re: Reporting distributions in UK PFICs
In order to avoid sec 1291 he would need to make this election when he first purchased the funds or when he became a US person. Retroactive elections are not allowed.
If for example he elected mark to market now after having held the shares as a US person for many years he would trigger sec 1291 taxes as if he sold right?
It may essentially be too late to elect in a manner that doesn't cost and arm and a leg.
Currently you can stop being a US person and take your PFICs with you. Temp regs though have the US trying to impose a deemed sale on the assets when you leave. So they really want to ding you all ways.
If for example he elected mark to market now after having held the shares as a US person for many years he would trigger sec 1291 taxes as if he sold right?
It may essentially be too late to elect in a manner that doesn't cost and arm and a leg.
Currently you can stop being a US person and take your PFICs with you. Temp regs though have the US trying to impose a deemed sale on the assets when you leave. So they really want to ding you all ways.
#19
Re: Reporting distributions in UK PFICs
That's if you feel that SIPPs are not pensions for DTA purposes or you don't claim the treaty exemption.