Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
#31
Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
.... Do I have no option but to pay?
Last edited by Pulaski; Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:54 pm.
#32
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Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
Basics - sell within 18 months to avoid all CGT, sell within 3 years to avoid USA shellacking.
We kept our HSBC account open in the Uk for mortgage and spoke to them in branch to get permission to rent without changing the mortgage.
HMRC will be interested - you will need to report your rental income to them via self assessment
We kept our HSBC account open in the Uk for mortgage and spoke to them in branch to get permission to rent without changing the mortgage.
HMRC will be interested - you will need to report your rental income to them via self assessment
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Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
I have done this, in proportion to the cost of a trip. eg visited the uk for 7 days, spent 2 days on activities related to properties and deducted 2/7th of the cost of the trip against property expenses that year. (flight/hotel/car hire)
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Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
So apologies in advance if this has already been answered in the thread. I've just received my 2018 filing and have been hit with a $26,000 bill. The company I work for files my taxes and does so late and pays the late payment penalty.
My background...UK born and raised, lived in London until February 2017 when I seconded to the US on a 3 year visa. I bought a property when I was in the UK in Nov 2015 and while in the US I refinanced my mortgage between two UK lenders on the UK property in May 2018 from a residential to buy-to-let. At the same time I also paid a lump sum deposit to reduce my LTV to 60%. To my shock my filing says I owe a combined $26,000 between the federal and state filings because of "foreign mortgage gains" which just comes across to me as NUTS!
Has anyone else been in this situation? Do I have no option but to pay?
My background...UK born and raised, lived in London until February 2017 when I seconded to the US on a 3 year visa. I bought a property when I was in the UK in Nov 2015 and while in the US I refinanced my mortgage between two UK lenders on the UK property in May 2018 from a residential to buy-to-let. At the same time I also paid a lump sum deposit to reduce my LTV to 60%. To my shock my filing says I owe a combined $26,000 between the federal and state filings because of "foreign mortgage gains" which just comes across to me as NUTS!
Has anyone else been in this situation? Do I have no option but to pay?
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Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
There has been at least one other person here on BE who got caught by the gain on a foreign currency mortgage. It might seem unfair, and it probably is a shock, but the IRS rules are clear and predictable, and the FX gain on a mortgage is a well known (in international tax prep circles) as a very real issue. It is part of the US tax code, and therefore unavoidable after the fact (there are mitigation techniques available for some taxes, but you prepare for them ahead of the transaction, they don't work afterwards).
Correct, you have to pay your tax bills.
Correct, you have to pay your tax bills.
I'd like to prepare for next year and so without going into detail (I'll likely be seeking specialist tax advice) I'd be grateful if you could summarise the mitigation techniques?
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Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
Was this only picked up because I switched mortgage provider in 2018? I'm just curious because I had my property in 2017 and didn't have to pay any foreign mortgage gains?
#37
Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
Mortgage gains only crystalize when a mortgage is paid off, either upon sale of the underlying property, or when you refinance and pay off the previous mortgage, so I would presume is unlikely to be a recurring problem in future. In any case even if you were to refinance again in future, there would only be a further FX gain on the mortgage if the pound fell below the current rate against the US dollar.
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Re: Relocating to NYC. Renting home in UK
I've pretty much resigned myself to having to pay the bill. It was silly of to me ask if I "have to pay"
I'd like to prepare for next year and so without going into detail (I'll likely be seeking specialist tax advice) I'd be grateful if you could summarise the mitigation techniques?
I'd like to prepare for next year and so without going into detail (I'll likely be seeking specialist tax advice) I'd be grateful if you could summarise the mitigation techniques?
One would need to factor in the cost of a remortgage and potential interest rate change as well of re-mortgaging as current rates might not be as favorable as previous rates.
Doing this also only makes sense if you plan to sell a UK property (or remortgage - which some people are forced to because fixed terms end) while be liable for US tax.
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So annoying, I had to switch from Nationwide to an international lender as (1) nationwide did not offer buy-to-let and (2) I needed a lender that lends to expats.....
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Would you have any examples of the case law pls?