Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
Dec 17th 2010, 1:25 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
Dec 17th 2010, 4:22 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
I'm sure no-one has been bankrupted but many people have died through lack of care, treatment and drugs there (yes and here too).
I agree nowhere is perfect it's just the NHS is not a reason I feel I would return to the UK.
Maybe I have a rose-tinted pair of specs on when it comes to living in this tiny bit of the world
I just hope nothing comes along to shatter that view 
I agree nowhere is perfect it's just the NHS is not a reason I feel I would return to the UK.
Maybe I have a rose-tinted pair of specs on when it comes to living in this tiny bit of the world
I just hope nothing comes along to shatter that view
Dec 17th 2010, 4:24 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
Dec 17th 2010, 4:30 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
Yes, I gather you are glad to see the back of the UK, I was pointing out that, at less than 6 months, you may still be in the holiday period.
Dec 17th 2010, 4:49 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
From a different perspective, as someone who has recently left the UK I do think that a lot of people do look back at the place with rosy tinted specs. Someone who has been away from it for 35 years might not realise just what a dump the UK has become and no amount of country walks and sunday lunches in country pubs can alter that. The growing "underclass" and dawn and subsequent celebration of the chav culture are just some of the things ruining the UK.
If my opinion doesn't count about the US because I haven't been here long enough, does that mean my dislike of the UK is valid because I have just left it?
Dec 17th 2010, 4:58 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
I doubt it. I'm amazed how quickly we have all settled here. Having daily routines of work and school, cooking, cleaning, shopping etc. I am fully aware we are living here and it not at all feeling like a holiday or in a honeymoon period, that wore off pretty much as soon as the kids started school and the bills started rolling in. I live here. It's my home.
From a different perspective, as someone who has recently left the UK I do think that a lot of people do look back at the place with rosy tinted specs. Someone who has been away from it for 35 years might not realise just what a dump the UK has become and no amount of country walks and sunday lunches in country pubs can alter that. The growing "underclass" and dawn and subsequent celebration of the chav culture are just some of the things ruining the UK.
If my opinion doesn't count about the US because I haven't been here long enough, does that mean my dislike of the UK is valid because I have just left it?
From a different perspective, as someone who has recently left the UK I do think that a lot of people do look back at the place with rosy tinted specs. Someone who has been away from it for 35 years might not realise just what a dump the UK has become and no amount of country walks and sunday lunches in country pubs can alter that. The growing "underclass" and dawn and subsequent celebration of the chav culture are just some of the things ruining the UK.
If my opinion doesn't count about the US because I haven't been here long enough, does that mean my dislike of the UK is valid because I have just left it?
Dec 17th 2010, 5:04 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
Which is why I am only talking about the one bit I live in here (as I've stated before) and many many places in the UK where I've lived.
Dec 17th 2010, 5:24 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
I doubt it. I'm amazed how quickly we have all settled here. Having daily routines of work and school, cooking, cleaning, shopping etc. I am fully aware we are living here and it not at all feeling like a holiday or in a honeymoon period, that wore off pretty much as soon as the kids started school and the bills started rolling in. I live here. It's my home.
From a different perspective, as someone who has recently left the UK I do think that a lot of people do look back at the place with rosy tinted specs. Someone who has been away from it for 35 years might not realise just what a dump the UK has become and no amount of country walks and sunday lunches in country pubs can alter that. The growing "underclass" and dawn and subsequent celebration of the chav culture are just some of the things ruining the UK.
If my opinion doesn't count about the US because I haven't been here long enough, does that mean my dislike of the UK is valid because I have just left it?
From a different perspective, as someone who has recently left the UK I do think that a lot of people do look back at the place with rosy tinted specs. Someone who has been away from it for 35 years might not realise just what a dump the UK has become and no amount of country walks and sunday lunches in country pubs can alter that. The growing "underclass" and dawn and subsequent celebration of the chav culture are just some of the things ruining the UK.
If my opinion doesn't count about the US because I haven't been here long enough, does that mean my dislike of the UK is valid because I have just left it?
My experience on this website is that many of those who leave the UK saying it had "gone to hell in a handbasket", "was a dump" and other sweeping generalizations, frequently seem to be the ones who end up heading back there in 1-3 years with their tails between their legs.
Dec 17th 2010, 5:40 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
Of course you can have an opinion about the UK, I left in 2003 and was back in the UK for a couple of weeks in Oct - it didn't appear a great deal different to me. My mother gets good NHS care, my SIL has NHS/LA home-health visitors 4 times per day, my friends all seem to be doing pretty well financially and getting plenty of vacations in Europe etc.
My experience on this website is that many of those who leave the UK saying it had "gone to hell in a handbasket", "was a dump" and other sweeping generalizations, frequently seem to be the ones who end up heading back there in 1-3 years with their tails between their legs.
My experience on this website is that many of those who leave the UK saying it had "gone to hell in a handbasket", "was a dump" and other sweeping generalizations, frequently seem to be the ones who end up heading back there in 1-3 years with their tails between their legs.
Dec 17th 2010, 5:53 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
Of course you can have an opinion about the UK, I left in 2003 and was back in the UK for a couple of weeks in Oct - it didn't appear a great deal different to me. My mother gets good NHS care, my SIL has NHS/LA home-health visitors 4 times per day, my friends all seem to be doing pretty well financially and getting plenty of vacations in Europe etc.
My experience on this website is that many of those who leave the UK saying it had "gone to hell in a handbasket", "was a dump" and other sweeping generalizations, frequently seem to be the ones who end up heading back there in 1-3 years with their tails between their legs.
My experience on this website is that many of those who leave the UK saying it had "gone to hell in a handbasket", "was a dump" and other sweeping generalizations, frequently seem to be the ones who end up heading back there in 1-3 years with their tails between their legs.
So yes I have a less than positive view of the UK.
And (at the risk of repeating myself again) I have said that if I were forced to leave here I wouldn't return to the UK if I could possibly avoid it. There's a great big wide world out there and I would just try somewhere else.
Dec 17th 2010, 6:10 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
From a different perspective, as someone who has recently left the UK I do think that a lot of people do look back at the place with rosy tinted specs. Someone who has been away from it for 35 years might not realise just what a dump the UK has become and no amount of country walks and sunday lunches in country pubs can alter that. The growing "underclass" and dawn and subsequent celebration of the chav culture are just some of the things ruining the UK.
Dec 17th 2010, 6:11 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
You do realize that unemployment in the US is significantly higher than unemployment in the UK don't you?
Dec 17th 2010, 6:20 am
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Re: Is it really better in England, or just rose tinted glasses?
I always felt I couldn't live and work in the UK until I went back and worked there for several months last year. I felt the country had improved immensely from when I left a quarter of a century ago. Do I prefer it to where I live in the US? Clearly not. But I'm very sceptical of those whose views of the two countries are as overwhelmingly black and white as yours. It'd be interesting to hear your views a few years down the road.