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tom169 Dec 19th 2016 2:15 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by Guindalf (Post 12132510)
Generally, UK bulbs have a bayonet fitting whereas US bulbs are screw-in.

I concur... this is my experience so far.

PetrifiedExPat Dec 19th 2016 2:32 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by H Bomb (Post 12132484)
My PS3 was fine. Just plugged it in through a travel adapter and it worked fine (and still is 3 years later).

I remember once I bought the adapter, it worked.. approx 3 months later I had the yellow light of death. In sum, I guess that I cant rule out I had either a faulty system, or the adapter blew it out.

I have the newer slim PS3 now, it works fine, but remains untested through a normal US socket.

uk_grenada Dec 19th 2016 3:04 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by Guindalf (Post 12132510)
Er, no. This is not true!

Generally, UK bulbs have a bayonet fitting whereas US bulbs are screw-in.

Also, the wiring is very unlikely to be a problem. Lamps have such a low current draw that it's extremely unlikely that it would be an issue.

The biggest difficulty would be sourcing the plugs and lamp-holders as they are not common items. Then making sure they'll fit the particular lamp would be a potential nightmare!

Errm no, sorry but if you wander into any uk diy store you will find bayonet or screw thread bulbs, ikea are exclusively screw, new houses can be either, both are made to uk and eu regs.

uk_grenada Dec 19th 2016 3:08 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 
Lamp holders for bottles / bottletop shaped holes are common everywhere, you might need some epoxy putty if its close, if not, well it depends on what you are fitting, but the fittings often have standard screw in inserts you could get for local use, power plugs for your new locality are of course freely available individually ir made up into flex.

chawkins99 Dec 19th 2016 3:28 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by uk_grenada (Post 12132362)
Just remember A*V=W

Amps times volts = watts, of course if you know 2 factors you can calculate the 3rd.

So ignoring led's for now a light might have a 60 watt bulb, and its uk plug a 3 amp fuse.

?x240=60 so this is using 0.25 of an amp though on power on it might be a bit more for a fraction of a second.

Take this to america, change the plug and put in an american bulb.

?x120=60, its now using 0.5 amps, tiny, and if it was an led bulb miniscule...

Practivcally if you fit an led bulb, go for it, its using almost nothing, go for it.

HOWEVER

You also have a 3 bar heater, uses 13 amp fuse and 2500 watts

?x240=2500 so its using more than 10 amps, meaty...

Take it to america, replug, and let it rip NOOOOO

?x120=2500 so it wants to have more than 20 amps, which is i think going to blow your houses circuit fuse, and possibly worse, DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT FOR HIGH POWER CONSUMPTION DEVICES like hair dryers, basically beware of anything that heats or cools, otherwise read the spec.

So why did america screw itself with low power circuits? Because quite rightly, the american authorities decided americans would kill themselves with higher voltages... the distribution system is fine at similar very high voltages but in houses delivering higher energies is just more wasteful / expensive to deliver.

Not so... Heating devices are resistive. The current is dependent on the voltage and resistance. Resistance does not change significantly.

If you take a 3kW heater from UK (240v) and plug it into 120v, you'll end up with a 1500W heater.

uk_grenada Dec 19th 2016 3:54 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 
Well i can personally prove it doesnt work with hair dryers, my daughter took hers, amd the result was pyrotechnic...

chawkins99 Dec 19th 2016 4:16 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by uk_grenada (Post 12132571)
Well i can personally prove it doesnt work with hair dryers, my daughter took hers, amd the result was pyrotechnic...

More likely the motor burnt out rather than the heating element.

uk_grenada Dec 19th 2016 4:20 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 
Well bopefully we are in agreement - if it physically fits in a socket fine, but make sure that the cabling is up to whatever is asked of it, bearing in mind in america it needs larger conductors for the same amperage, but if using led bulbs this is highly unlikely to ever be an issue, but incandescent bulbs - possibly - just possibly a dangerous situation if you used a big bulb...

Peter124 Dec 19th 2016 4:23 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by chawkins99 (Post 12132561)

If you take a 3kW heater from UK (240v) and plug it into 120v, you'll end up with a 1500W heater.

Not quite right. Assuming the resistance does not change, the voltage is halved and the current is also halved. So power goes down by 4 and you have a 750 watt heater.

livinginnyc Dec 19th 2016 4:33 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by cmsebast (Post 12132308)
Same here. My PS3 just has a standard computer style cable, so I just swapped that and it works fine. I also have an Xbox 360, which wasn't as simple. I had to order a new power brick off of eBay as the U.S. one was only good for 120 volts.

Just echoing the others in here, my PS3 worked fine post move, but you're quite right the 360 wont without the *correct* US one as the power brick has some intelligence built in with its incoming power sensing.


Originally Posted by Guindalf (Post 12132510)
Also, the wiring is very unlikely to be a problem. Lamps have such a low current draw that it's extremely unlikely that it would be an issue.

This is my thoughts.


Originally Posted by chawkins99 (Post 12132582)
More likely the motor burnt out rather than the heating element.

I've gotten through my fair share of hair dryers over the years, mainly from the motor burning out as well as crap getting on the element. Worst i've had is a mini flame thrower!

Pulaski Dec 19th 2016 5:28 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by uk_grenada (Post 12132401)
The actual bulbs are the same fittings globally ...

[Not sure if anyone has said this yet]No, they aren't. Bulbs in the UK are almost always bayonet fittings, whereas most US bulbs use an Edison screw fitting, so as Lizzyq said, you'd have to change the bulb holders as well as the plugs.

uk_grenada Dec 19th 2016 5:48 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12132612)
[Not sure if anyone has said this yet]No, they aren't. Bulbs in the UK are almost always bayonet fittings, whereas most US bulbs use an Edison screw fitting, so as Lizzyq said, you'd have to change the bulb holders as well as the plugs.

not true, as i said above, both are in wide use in the uk 240 volt, and the american ace hardware in the caribbean sells both types - screw and bayonet, and both voltages 110 and 220/40 so they are all available somewhere, but i understand that bayonet bulbs in the states are not very common, i could find a few but can't be sure they are b22's

HOWEVER A converter both ways is available, they are on amazon.com to as a fix for uk bulb holders...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/skytronic-4...MN7M0HNZMS1H60

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Light-Bul...MN7M0HNZMS1H60

chawkins99 Dec 19th 2016 5:51 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by Peter124 (Post 12132587)
Not quite right. Assuming the resistance does not change, the voltage is halved and the current is also halved. So power goes down by 4 and you have a 750 watt heater.

I stand corrected :o

Marc_ely Dec 19th 2016 7:13 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 
Been here and tried this.
Most UK bulbs are bayonet. ALL USA bulbs are edison screw of different size.
There are adapters that go between and they work OK.
The plugs are not changeable as UK plugs have fuses and USA do not, so they tend to be molded types, not meant for re-work. So you need to re-cable the lamp.

The one item nobody has mentioned is the lamp shade metal ring size is different from UK to USA, so a USA lamp shade will not fit onto a UK lamp. We tried half a dozen lamps and shades and in the end we chucked them all out.

yellowroom Dec 19th 2016 8:14 am

Re: Re-wire UK lamps?
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12132612)
[Not sure if anyone has said this yet]Bulbs in the UK are almost always bayonet fittings

this used to be true, but screw fittings have become more prevalent over the last decade in the UK. Whether it's the prevalence of ikea and/or other continental retailers I don't know, but I'm sitting in our lounge and three out of the five light fittings in here are screw not bayonet (two designer ceiling lights, one floor lamp from ikea)


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