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Pulaski Oct 13th 2014 4:24 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437017)
Wow, really wasn't prepared for such a hostile environment.

Are sarcastic, pretentious comments a prerequisite on here?

Sometimes, but not necessarily. Sometimes it depends on the attitude of the OP, and whether they are trying to get someone else to do their donkey work for them, or they just can't be bothered to use Google themselves. Other times it just seems to depend on which way the wind is blowing. :unsure:

Having someone get overly hung up on current usage of the word "head hunter" was unfortunate as it is quite clear that most recruiters call themselves "head hunters" these days, they just do, and it was quite clear to me that that was what you meant, so I don't think that attacking you for your usage was appropriate or necessary. :o

christmasoompa Oct 13th 2014 4:28 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11437041)
Having someone get overly hung up on current usage of the word "head hunter" was unfortunate as it is quite clear that most recruiters call themselves "head hunters" these days, they just do, and it was quite clear to me that that was what you meant, so I don't think that attacking you for your usage was appropriate or necessary. :o

Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for? Asking for recommended headhunters is to me like asking for a recommended policeman to arrest you, something that you shouldn't normally need to look for.

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 4:33 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 11437043)
Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for? Asking for recommended headhunters is to me like asking for a recommended policeman to arrest you, something that you shouldn't normally need to look for.

One might suggest that a candidate for H1b in marketing and 'adverting' should demonstrate clarity.

Come on Mary, it's got its humorous aspects, but we can be helpful too, I'm sure someone in the biz will come along shortly.

Bink Oct 13th 2014 4:33 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 11437043)
Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for?

Some recruiters do both. I guess it depends if there's enough 'headhunting' work to keep them busy all the time. The agencies I have dealt with have much higher rates for headhunting than for general recruitment agency work.

To the OP - with the greatest respect you're highly unlikely to find the answer you're looking for on here, it's too specialized a request. Your best bet is LinkedIn or word of mouth from within the industry.

My second recommendation - and I mean this sincerely - is if you're looking to get headhunted for a high-level role check your spelling very carefully and utilize American grammar and spelling. It may seem pedantic but it's the kind of thing that may get your resume or approach instantly put into the trash pile.

hoffage123 Oct 13th 2014 4:37 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
On a practical level - join relevant LinkedIn groups, contribute to group discussions, pinpoint the members who may be of use to you, follow them, build rapport etc etc.

Depending on where you are moving, there may be a local chapter for you to get information from.

Happy 'Adverting'!

Hoffage

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 4:44 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

AlphaTangoMike Oct 13th 2014 5:00 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437062)
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

I wouldn't say that it's 'judgement'. Most of us have been through a similar process in the past (moving around the world for work) and as such, we are well aware of the difficulties involved.

Another point, since we're all anonymous strangers on the internet, one / more of us may be in the industry that you're in. We may even be interested in 'headhunting' you. That's why the advice to focus on your online image is quite important.

All the best for your search.

hoffage123 Oct 13th 2014 5:00 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437062)
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

We are really a friendly bunch, honestly :lol:

But just wait until you need the Immigration Forum on here *cough* ian-mstm *cough* ;) a new level of exactness is present on there ...

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 5:00 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437062)
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

Yes but what if a headhunter had been looking?

Pulaski Oct 13th 2014 5:11 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 11437043)
Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for? Asking for recommended headhunters is to me like asking for a recommended policeman to arrest you, something that you shouldn't normally need to look for.

You "corrected" them fairly agressively, and as with "certain other terms" used in business you completely fail to acknowledge that these days in the real world, common usage of many words no longer fits your narrow view/ precise definition.

Personally I am inclined to AGREE with on the definition of "HH" v "recruiter", as with certain other terms, but common usage has moved on no matter how much we wish it hadn't. :unsure:

Hotscot Oct 13th 2014 5:15 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437017)
Wow, really wasn't prepared for such a hostile environment.

Are sarcastic, pretentious comments a prerequisite on here?

It's not really hostile.
We're all like a bunch of folks down the virtual pub.
We discuss, joke, laugh, argue with each other and everyone who comes along.

You can get excellent information and advice from many experienced people here.

However in return a little back and forth is expected. Talk about your intentions, your plans, where you're coming from, where you're going...that sort of thing.

Don't just expect to come along and treat it as a free consultancy. No fun in that.

christmasoompa Oct 13th 2014 5:18 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11437093)
You "corrected" them fairly agressively

:confused: Seriously? So asking 'do you mean a recruitment agency maybe?' and saying 'good luck' are correcting somebody aggressively are they?

I did also say that perhaps it's different in other industries, and that I was referring to my specific experience. But hey, that's clearly very aggressive and I'm sorry that I scared the OP with my nasty words.

The mind boggles sometimes, it really does.

Pulaski Oct 13th 2014 5:18 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Hotscot (Post 11437101)
It's not really hostile.
We're all like a bunch of folks down the virtual pub.
We discuss, joke, laugh, argue with each other and everyone who comes along. ....

You missed out the "leg pulling"! :) ..... Unfortunately, reduced to a few words in a forum, posts here on BE lose all the context and nuances of tone of voice and facial expression. :(

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 5:19 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Hotscot (Post 11437101)
It's not really hostile.
We're all like a bunch of folks down the virtual pub.
We discuss, joke, laugh, argue with each other and everyone who comes along.

You can get excellent information and advice from many experienced people here.

However in return a little back and forth is expected. Talk about your intentions, your plans, where you're coming from, where you're going...that sort of thing.

Don't just expect to come along and treat it as a free consultancy. No fun in that.

Thanks! Great tip!! I'll make a note for the future and bring my 'A game' to the next post I dare to make in here! :D

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 5:20 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11437109)
You missed out the "leg pulling"! :) ..... Unfortunately, reduced to a few words in a forum, posts here on BE lose all the context and nuances of tone of voice and facial expression. :(

Says one of the most aggressive people on here :confused:


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