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Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 10:36 am

Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Hi all,

It's my first time using this forum, so please be kind :)

I'm searching for a New York City based Headhunter who has experience placing UK citizens (requiring H1B sponsorship) in NYC based Marketing and Advertising roles.

I've come across a few NYC based headhunters but I would greatly (greatly!) appreciate any recommendations! Or a nudge in the right direction.

Thanks in advance for your help!
Mary

christmasoompa Oct 13th 2014 10:41 am

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Maybe I'm being daft, but isn't the point of a headhunter that they find you, not the other way around?! A headhunter is usually sent to find people by their clients, and they'll contact you out of the blue for a specific position.

Do you mean a recruitment agency maybe?

Are you on Linked In? My husband is headhunted on a weekly basis via Linked In for jobs in the US, so if you're high profile and good enough for them to want you, that's a great place to start.

Good luck.

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 10:47 am

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Hiya,

Thanks for the reply.

It works both ways. Headhunters contact you and you can contact them to seek employment on your behalf. I contact headhunters in the UK if I'm looking for a role. Their intention is to fill a position for their client so either way works as long as they can find a candidate for an open position.

Thanks for the suggestion and the luck!

x

christmasoompa Oct 13th 2014 10:53 am

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11436752)
It works both ways. Headhunters contact you and you can contact them to seek employment on your behalf. I contact headhunters in the UK if I'm looking for a role. Their intention is to fill a position for their client so either way works as long as they can find a candidate for an open position.

That sounds like a recruiter to me then, rather than a headhunter. None of the headhunters that contact my husband would take people on, they only work for the employers and don't have a pool of people to choose from, they come after him individually for very specific roles. Maybe different industries work in different ways!

Got to say I prefer a good recruitment agency that work on behalf of both rather than headhunters, headhunters are too determined and often won't take no for an answer, they drive me insane sometimes! :lol:

rpjs Oct 13th 2014 1:31 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
What can you bring to the table that would want to make a company go to the expense and paperwork to sponsor you for H-1B sponsor that a US person who could start tomorrow couldn't? Don't get me wrong, ad/marketing companies do do H-1Bs, but for instance the adtech company I work for usually does it for techies or similar with skills in short supply.

You might be better off joining a company in the UK that is American owned or has a US subsidiary and trying to get a transfer after a couple of years. The good news though is that there are a lot of companies in advertising and marketing that are like that. Three of the last four companies I've worked for have a substantial presence in London, New York and elsewhere in the US.

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 1:57 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Hiya,

Appreciate the reply.

Thanks for the suggestion. I am fully aware of my options and the requirements for a H1B visa. My request was for a headhunter within my field. If you do have any recommendations, please do let me know.

Thanks.

Nutmegger Oct 13th 2014 3:13 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Just an observation, but I would have thought that if you are so highly placed in marketing and advertising that you feel people would be willing to spend a lot of money to bring you to NYC, that you might know how to market and advertise yourself . . . :sneaky:

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 3:19 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Thanks! Great comment, really helpful.

As mentioned above, I looking for a recommendation for a headhunter. Recommendation and networking is what my industry is all about. If you can't help, that's fine but poking fun and making 'observations' is not at all helpful and surely a waste of your time?!

As I said above, if you can help, please do.

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 3:39 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 11436967)
Just an observation, but I would have thought that if you are so highly placed in marketing and advertising that you feel people would be willing to spend a lot of money to bring you to NYC, that you might know how to market and advertise yourself . . . :sneaky:

We did have an Award-Winning International recruiter's wife on here once, asking how he could get his CV noticed.

Nutmegger Oct 13th 2014 3:45 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11436985)
We did have an Award-Winning International recruiter's wife on here once, asking how he could get his CV noticed.


You've got to love it, eh?! ;)

AlphaTangoMike Oct 13th 2014 3:59 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 11436991)
You've got to love it, eh?! ;)

Might indicate why the headhunters have been mysteriously absent. :p

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 4:04 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Wow, really wasn't prepared for such a hostile environment.

Are sarcastic, pretentious comments a prerequisite on here?

BunnyGirl Oct 13th 2014 4:05 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437017)
Are sarcastic, pretentious comments a prerequisite on here?

Yes.

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 4:13 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
New Yorkers shoot from the hip.

especially the cops

hoffage123 Oct 13th 2014 4:23 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
:rofl:

Originally Posted by BunnyGirl (Post 11437020)
Yes.


Pulaski Oct 13th 2014 4:24 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437017)
Wow, really wasn't prepared for such a hostile environment.

Are sarcastic, pretentious comments a prerequisite on here?

Sometimes, but not necessarily. Sometimes it depends on the attitude of the OP, and whether they are trying to get someone else to do their donkey work for them, or they just can't be bothered to use Google themselves. Other times it just seems to depend on which way the wind is blowing. :unsure:

Having someone get overly hung up on current usage of the word "head hunter" was unfortunate as it is quite clear that most recruiters call themselves "head hunters" these days, they just do, and it was quite clear to me that that was what you meant, so I don't think that attacking you for your usage was appropriate or necessary. :o

christmasoompa Oct 13th 2014 4:28 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11437041)
Having someone get overly hung up on current usage of the word "head hunter" was unfortunate as it is quite clear that most recruiters call themselves "head hunters" these days, they just do, and it was quite clear to me that that was what you meant, so I don't think that attacking you for your usage was appropriate or necessary. :o

Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for? Asking for recommended headhunters is to me like asking for a recommended policeman to arrest you, something that you shouldn't normally need to look for.

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 4:33 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 11437043)
Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for? Asking for recommended headhunters is to me like asking for a recommended policeman to arrest you, something that you shouldn't normally need to look for.

One might suggest that a candidate for H1b in marketing and 'adverting' should demonstrate clarity.

Come on Mary, it's got its humorous aspects, but we can be helpful too, I'm sure someone in the biz will come along shortly.

Bink Oct 13th 2014 4:33 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 11437043)
Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for?

Some recruiters do both. I guess it depends if there's enough 'headhunting' work to keep them busy all the time. The agencies I have dealt with have much higher rates for headhunting than for general recruitment agency work.

To the OP - with the greatest respect you're highly unlikely to find the answer you're looking for on here, it's too specialized a request. Your best bet is LinkedIn or word of mouth from within the industry.

My second recommendation - and I mean this sincerely - is if you're looking to get headhunted for a high-level role check your spelling very carefully and utilize American grammar and spelling. It may seem pedantic but it's the kind of thing that may get your resume or approach instantly put into the trash pile.

hoffage123 Oct 13th 2014 4:37 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
On a practical level - join relevant LinkedIn groups, contribute to group discussions, pinpoint the members who may be of use to you, follow them, build rapport etc etc.

Depending on where you are moving, there may be a local chapter for you to get information from.

Happy 'Adverting'!

Hoffage

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 4:44 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

AlphaTangoMike Oct 13th 2014 5:00 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437062)
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

I wouldn't say that it's 'judgement'. Most of us have been through a similar process in the past (moving around the world for work) and as such, we are well aware of the difficulties involved.

Another point, since we're all anonymous strangers on the internet, one / more of us may be in the industry that you're in. We may even be interested in 'headhunting' you. That's why the advice to focus on your online image is quite important.

All the best for your search.

hoffage123 Oct 13th 2014 5:00 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437062)
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

We are really a friendly bunch, honestly :lol:

But just wait until you need the Immigration Forum on here *cough* ian-mstm *cough* ;) a new level of exactness is present on there ...

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 5:00 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437062)
Thanks for the helpful comments. I realise that it's a specialised question but thought it was worth a shot.

Re. Spelling. Was writing this on my phone in a hurry didn't realise I was going to be judged so harshly in an informal forum!

Yes but what if a headhunter had been looking?

Pulaski Oct 13th 2014 5:11 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 11437043)
Erm....where exactly did I 'attack' the OP for it? I questioned it, as to me they're two very different things.

Headhunter - somebody that doesn't ever advertise jobs but goes after people for specific roles they've been hired to fill.

Recruitment agency - somebody that does advertise jobs to all via their own website or others, has a pool of candidates to draw from, and are often retained by companies for all recruitment.

I didn't attack anybody, and tbh I'm surprised you think I did, as I thought it was pretty clear that all I was doing was trying to clarify exactly what the OP was looking for? Asking for recommended headhunters is to me like asking for a recommended policeman to arrest you, something that you shouldn't normally need to look for.

You "corrected" them fairly agressively, and as with "certain other terms" used in business you completely fail to acknowledge that these days in the real world, common usage of many words no longer fits your narrow view/ precise definition.

Personally I am inclined to AGREE with on the definition of "HH" v "recruiter", as with certain other terms, but common usage has moved on no matter how much we wish it hadn't. :unsure:

Hotscot Oct 13th 2014 5:15 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437017)
Wow, really wasn't prepared for such a hostile environment.

Are sarcastic, pretentious comments a prerequisite on here?

It's not really hostile.
We're all like a bunch of folks down the virtual pub.
We discuss, joke, laugh, argue with each other and everyone who comes along.

You can get excellent information and advice from many experienced people here.

However in return a little back and forth is expected. Talk about your intentions, your plans, where you're coming from, where you're going...that sort of thing.

Don't just expect to come along and treat it as a free consultancy. No fun in that.

christmasoompa Oct 13th 2014 5:18 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11437093)
You "corrected" them fairly agressively

:confused: Seriously? So asking 'do you mean a recruitment agency maybe?' and saying 'good luck' are correcting somebody aggressively are they?

I did also say that perhaps it's different in other industries, and that I was referring to my specific experience. But hey, that's clearly very aggressive and I'm sorry that I scared the OP with my nasty words.

The mind boggles sometimes, it really does.

Pulaski Oct 13th 2014 5:18 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Hotscot (Post 11437101)
It's not really hostile.
We're all like a bunch of folks down the virtual pub.
We discuss, joke, laugh, argue with each other and everyone who comes along. ....

You missed out the "leg pulling"! :) ..... Unfortunately, reduced to a few words in a forum, posts here on BE lose all the context and nuances of tone of voice and facial expression. :(

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 5:19 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Hotscot (Post 11437101)
It's not really hostile.
We're all like a bunch of folks down the virtual pub.
We discuss, joke, laugh, argue with each other and everyone who comes along.

You can get excellent information and advice from many experienced people here.

However in return a little back and forth is expected. Talk about your intentions, your plans, where you're coming from, where you're going...that sort of thing.

Don't just expect to come along and treat it as a free consultancy. No fun in that.

Thanks! Great tip!! I'll make a note for the future and bring my 'A game' to the next post I dare to make in here! :D

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 5:20 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11437109)
You missed out the "leg pulling"! :) ..... Unfortunately, reduced to a few words in a forum, posts here on BE lose all the context and nuances of tone of voice and facial expression. :(

Says one of the most aggressive people on here :confused:

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 5:21 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11437109)
You missed out the "leg pulling"! :) ..... Unfortunately, reduced to a few words in a forum, posts here on BE lose all the context and nuances of tone of voice and facial expression. :(

That is very true! And emoticons just don't have the same effect! All comments seem to come across as quite mean! Maybe I'm taking it too personally.

AlphaTangoMike Oct 13th 2014 5:26 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11437113)
Says one of the most aggressive people on here :confused:

You also omitted the rolling eyes (:rolleyes:) :sneaky:

Pulaski Oct 13th 2014 5:29 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11437113)
Says one of the most aggressive people on here. .....

:( ...... I'm nothing but a big loveable puppy really. :o


Originally Posted by AlphaTangoMike (Post 11437121)
You also omitted the rolling eyes (:rolleyes:) :sneaky:

:p

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 5:29 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by AlphaTangoMike (Post 11437121)
You also omitted the rolling eyes (:rolleyes:) :sneaky:

Copyright.

Hotscot Oct 13th 2014 5:30 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437111)
Thanks! Great tip!! I'll make a note for the future and bring my 'A game' to the next post I dare to make in here! :D

Passive aggression?

Mary681 Oct 13th 2014 5:35 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Hotscot (Post 11437125)
Passive aggression?

That was not Passive aggressive. That was a genuine thanks (again not passive aggressive)

Sally Redux Oct 13th 2014 5:36 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437129)
That was not Passive aggressive. That was a genuine thanks (again not passive aggressive)

So, why NYC?

Hotscot Oct 13th 2014 5:46 pm

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Mary681 (Post 11437129)
That was not Passive aggressive. That was a genuine thanks (again not passive aggressive)

Well it's just that you mentioned daring to post...:unsure:

Bob Oct 14th 2014 12:33 am

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 11437132)
So, why NYC?

Well it is a good hub for the industry and stringing out into NJ/CT and to a less extent MA.

LinkedIn advice is the best one given though, of joining groups and getting involved, which gets one noticed and people to connect too and getting recommendations from those in the industry and on the ground in the area.

Though focusing on a recruiter in a specific location is a bit of a waste, a good one will have contacts all over...and unless you're really senior, they're mostly as much use as a pin pricked hat...pucking useless as they just scatter gun approach people, putting companies off so that they don't have to pay a fee if you contact them by other means.

For needing a visa, you'll want to contact companies you are interested in directly by founding the hiring managers and getting in touch with them directly, which you can do by using LinkedIn.

Hotscot Oct 14th 2014 1:02 am

Re: Please Help - Marketing and Adverting Headhunters NYC??
 
Recruiters are in the business of fulfilling the company's need for staff so they can get their fee.

They have no particular interest in you getting the position. Just that someone from their books gets the position.

Another vote for LinkedIn.
Also, I hope you're under 50 years old.
And on top of digital marketing initiatives.


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