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Old Jan 27th 2012, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Herpes Simplex View Post
I know it's piling on but I thought it was odd during all the euoligising of Jobs that they kept going on about Jobs drive to make great products and that's waht he did. Well yes and no. Apple made neat stuff - but the legacy of the iPod and early iPhones were that they were tatty junk. Jobs was freaking amazing at marketing. Anyone who could convince that many socially conscious anti-capitalists to buy an iPad and not care that an 8 year old Chinese girl made it deserves a medal.
He sure could market.

IPod was not the first 'mp3' player, not by a long chalk. Up until then mp3 players were marketed on a 'geek' basis - mp3, 512 megabytes of FLASH memory (a cool technology back then). Ordinary people didn't know what that meant. He comes along with the iPod, sticks up an ad that says '1000 songs in your pocket', and the rest, as they say, is history.

Apple had 20bn more revenue this last quarter than they had same quarter a year ago.

In a down market.

Despite the bad PR about the manufacturers of Apple's products.

Many people have drunk from the kool aid...

I wonder though if we're soon to reach a point where Apple's cash pile will become a source for bad PR and grumblings? It's just sat there, earning interest, sure. But think what $100 bn could do if employed in other things?

A big '+' to geeky Bill Gates for what he's been doing with his stash.
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Old Jan 27th 2012, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by dakota44 View Post
And this is why I have a lot more respect for Bill Gates than I coujld ever have for Steve Jobs.

Bill Gates pledged $750 million on Thursday to fight three killer diseases and rescue a beleaguered health fund whose financial losses have cost it donor support.
The Microsoft founder said he is lending his "credibility" to the Geneva-based Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria by making the donation through a promissory note so the fund "can immediately use the money and save lives."


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz1kcSgwJAD
I'm wondering if Bill Gates' "humanizing" process started when he got married? Sometimes I've noticed that very intelligent people often live in their own little world until someone kind of lassos them into life as a whole, not just their little corner of it. It's not a malicious thing, just a case of being unconnected.

Well that's my amateur psychoanalysis for the day.
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Old Jan 28th 2012, 10:09 pm
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I'm wondering if Bill Gates' "humanizing" process started when he got married? Sometimes I've noticed that very intelligent people often live in their own little world until someone kind of lassos them into life as a whole, not just their little corner of it. It's not a malicious thing, just a case of being unconnected.

Well that's my amateur psychoanalysis for the day.
Living in the Silicon Valley for the past 40 years, Steve Jobs wasn't that bad. In a lot of ways he was a lot like Bill Gates where both could be brutal but were also pretty fair to their employees. Jobs was never considered as a greedy capitalist like several others in the Silicon Valley.

Jobs was also lucky since after he was replaced by the Pepsi CEO who ran the company into the ground, Jobs again regained control and was funded by Microsoft to keep Apple from going under and the competition alive. That was Gates way of getting the government off his back but I suspect he eventually regretted that decision.

Bill never thought about charities until Melissa started pushing him.
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Old Feb 2nd 2012, 7:38 pm
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Bill never thought about charities until Melissa started pushing him.
That was the point of my post........
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Marriage may very well have had a positive influence on Bill Gates and his charitable ways. I do believe, however, that change can only occur if there is the underlying foundation for it. In Steve Jobs case, there clearly wasn't and marriage did not change his attitude about it a bit. Nor, would it seem, did his wife push him in that direction or at least, if she did, she had little influence.
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Marriage may very well have had a positive influence on Bill Gates and his charitable ways. I do believe, however, that change can only occur if there is the underlying foundation for it. In Steve Jobs case, there clearly wasn't and marriage did not change his attitude about it a bit. Nor, would it seem, did his wife push him in that direction or at least, if she did, she had little influence.
Larry Ellison is another example of someone in the Jobs mold.
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Larry Ellison is another example of someone in the Jobs mold.
Yep. Likely more of them than we can count.
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Larry Ellison is another example of someone in the Jobs mold.
I would put Jobs and Gates as much more alike. They were both creators where Ellison is more of a buyer of other companies.

Also not everybody is cut out to run charities.
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I would put Jobs and Gates as much more alike. They were both creators where Ellison is more of a buyer of other companies.

Also not everybody is cut out to run charities.
You don't have to run a charity. Just part with some of the gold so others can do the good work. How many other mega rich CEO types kick in to the gates foundation? Not as many as should, given the opportunity they have had to reap massive financial gain. The ones that do, kudos big time.
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He sure could market.

IPod was not the first 'mp3' player, not by a long chalk. Up until then mp3 players were marketed on a 'geek' basis - mp3, 512 megabytes of FLASH memory (a cool technology back then). Ordinary people didn't know what that meant. He comes along with the iPod, sticks up an ad that says '1000 songs in your pocket', and the rest, as they say, is history.
There's a bit more to it than that. Indeed, the original ipod was pretty mediocre and not that clever. The innovative thing Apple did was in the software by integrating it with a decent database and retail frontend to make it a piece of piss to fill it with songs (i.e. the itunes store).
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My hatred of evangelists, libertarians, Tea-baggers and Republicans in general is so utterly complete that I feel compelled to worship Obama no matter how well he has performed.

Having said that I kinda like him on his own merits. Unless there is a big cock up I can see him winning a second term. Romney, with his on wishy-washy personality, will go for the negative attack ads route again and Obama will take the moral high ground and run a dignified campaign - I can definitely see him gaining a few swing votes that way.
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My hatred of evangelists, libertarians, Tea-baggers and Republicans in general is so utterly complete that I feel compelled to worship Obama no matter how well he has performed.

Having said that I kinda like him on his own merits. Unless there is a big cock up I can see him winning a second term. Romney, with his on wishy-washy personality, will go for the negative attack ads route again and Obama will take the moral high ground and run a dignified campaign - I can definitely see him gaining a few swing votes that way.
It is all going to be about the economy. If the economy keeps improving for the next 10 months, it will be difficult for Romney to win. If on the other hand, Europe blows up or China stalls, that will put a lot of pressure on the US economy making it difficult for Obama to get elected to a second term.
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My hatred of evangelists, libertarians, Tea-baggers and Republicans in general is so utterly complete that I feel compelled to worship Obama no matter how well he has performed.

Having said that I kinda like him on his own merits. Unless there is a big cock up I can see him winning a second term. Romney, with his on wishy-washy personality, will go for the negative attack ads route again and Obama will take the moral high ground and run a dignified campaign - I can definitely see him gaining a few swing votes that way.
Moral high ground? It's the election - he'll be every bit as craven and dirty as any other politician would be and he has been. Maybe even more so than when he ran versus Hillary for the nomination. Good heavens that was dirty. It's not like his run against McCain was all positivity and substance. Add I think the reason a lot of Democrat/liberal pundits were so unimpressed with the SOTU was that Obama ditched the moral high ground for populist naff. He's entirely abandoned any pretense of being a post-political politician. Which is hardly surprising considering it was all bollocks anyway. You can still like him very much - or at least be able to compare him favorably to Romney - without still believing that he's the altruist and Romney's the nefarious one. They're all egotistical lying wankers.

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It is all going to be about the economy. If the economy keeps improving for the next 10 months, it will be difficult for Romney to win. If on the other hand, Europe blows up or China stalls, that will put a lot of pressure on the US economy making it difficult for Obama to get elected to a second term.
Well today's NFP was much better than expected, if the trend continues Romney's argument gets weaker and weaker.
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And Donald (anus mouth) Trump endorsing Romney was just so jizztastic that the Obama people retweeted the event in case any of their followers missed it.
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