Obama/Democrat thread
 

Ok so we have all seen and read and had a few laughs at the Republican debate thread....heres the Obama/Democrat thread
What is the thoughts on Obama and how he has faired in his first term, especially considering the strongest partisan crap that has been plagueing DC for years now?
and also, do you reckon he should get the Democratic nomination and be allowed to run for a second term? or should someone like Hilary get the nomination and be allowed to give it a go??
whats your thoughts?

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I thought Hillary said that she didn't want the top job, in fact I have a vague recollection of reading that she didn't want SoS again, assuming BHO were to be re-elected.

I think that BHO could've done a lot more prior to the mid-terms when he had more control of the Houses of Congress, but instead he seems to have tried to be the great conciliator.

Maybe if the Democrats gain control of Congress back, and he is re-elected, he'll be more forceful in his second term, when he doesn't have to worry about re-election again. :unsure:

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lol @ the hair hehe...tbh, not only looking for the left's opinion . rather just a general perspective on how people see Obama/Dems and how they rate the chances of him being re-elected, i know there are quite a few on here who follow the political arena closely

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I think they should take more vacations. In separate motorcades and aircraft, four hours part. That's what I think.

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But not as many as Bush?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20093801.shtml

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Nor as many as Reagan, either.

How very left-wing of you to put facts in the way of people's pet theories.:frown:

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Bloody gonks :frown:

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My personal guess is that he can't get a round in without having to take a phone call or three.

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Is this what you call a debate?

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I think it is actually, going on past form.

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It's quite safe when he's on the other side -- you have nothing to be embarrassed about. It's when he joins your side (usually libertarian issues) that you start to worry.

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They do look pretty dangerous. I can understand why he's worried.

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I think I was just insulted. I was trying to ignite a little kindling in this slow burning thread by means of a little hearted banter. I'm very sorry that you have to hurl around such invective, Michael. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

The media was bitching two weeks that this has been the least active Congress in terms of getting things passed legislatively, in a long time. Why is this a bad thing? Laws, laws, more laws. How about taking a legislative holiday every fourth year?

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Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for that.

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Bounders, cads, scoundrels to a man. I shall take my leave of you all. Good day.

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Who, us, or Congress?:confused:

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I think it's funny that most of my friends on both side of the ideological divide think that Obama is lying about being a Christian. My Repub friends think he's a secret Muslim - as you might have heard (fnar). My Democrat friends think he just says he's Christian to get votes and is totally lying about it. I mean - Christians are intolerant loons right?

I like also that Obama can say firmly that he is very much against gay marriage, is against abortion and believes in the Genesis story as Biblical truth but that somehow doesn't make him as intolerant on the same topics in the way it does Romney - who actually did claim for a long time to be the other way.

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Perhaps it's because he doesn't actually foam at the mouth when he says it?

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The difference is that Romney has to cull the votes of a bunch of right-wing religious crazies to get past the primaries.

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I have a friend who is a retired doctor and generally I consider to be liberal but he started questioning whether Obama was really born in the US since he would not release his birth certificate. I then asked him if he really believed that "Glenn Beck really did rape and kill a 16 year old girl in 1990" since he has never denied it and he won't answer that question?"

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That's not what I mean though. I mean people who spit bile at someone without a D in their title based upon their views on gay marriage, abortion and Biblical Genesis - anyone who believes that. But to cope with Obama's belief in it they deny he even is a Christian -it's a charade for the idiots. They don't think he's a "good one" - because they don't think there are any.

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My father in law told me that he is absolutely sure Obama is a Muslim, socialist and foreign and "plans to take the US down." He cannot answer the Why part of that. All he'll do is talk about Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs as proof it could be so.

Surely the Why part would come first?

Can we start posting those emails people get about Dems/Repubs tht are blatantly mental too? I'm in my families Repub email chain and the crap I get is astounding.

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Recently I was quite surprised to learn that an old navy buddy who was very religious in the military and currently sends me religious e-mails every Sunday said he was an agnostic. I said "that surprises me". He said "Why, because I send you religious e-mails every Sunday?".

Then a week later I was visiting my uncle and he claimed he was an atheist. Again I was a quite surprised since he and his wife attends church every Sunday and do heavy volunteer work for the church.

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If something is repeated enough, it eventually becomes the truth.

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When/where did he say this, what was the context - I'm genuinely curious.

I'm struggling really with the whole 'believe in Genesis as Biblical truth' bit - primarily because there's a ton of scientific evidence (i.e. testable...) that pretty much says that Genesis is at best an analogue/metaphor...

Is Obama really a closet nut job?

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You missed it again. He was being sarcastic, I think.

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Doublethink is alive and well.

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Haven't read it in a while but he does say in Audacity of Hope that he thought Cathloic school as a child was every bit as empty and silly as the Muslim school he went to. But that later in life he had his Road to Damascus moment and joined the United Church of Christ and believed the Bible not to be literally true as Southern Baptists might go in for but hermeneutic at least. He writes about authoritative biblical accuracy a lot after that but seems to want to evade going for it and specify much. Nothing wrong with that. IT's a pretty huge discussion point in Christianity Today and the CSM that he keeps contradicting himself in subsequent speeches depending on his audience. It's almost as if he's a politician saying what needs to be said depending on who he's talking to....

You can spend 10 mins and find all the speeches in 2006/7 where he said he didn't believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and that he agreed with his pastor that you can have creation and evolution. A lot of his early speeches (you can Google the phrase "I believe in evolution" and it's all over the place) he is fast to point out he believes in evolution and has Christian scientist beliefs too. It's not that hard a concept to believe in. Most Christians I mill about with are along these lines. More importantly the only aspect of this he has been clear about (it's almost as if he was being deliberatly on the fence....) is that he does not believe creationism or Intelligent Design should be taught in schools. Which - knowing how smarmy and smart-arsed lawyers and politicians isn't actually a comment on if you believe it.

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See, if things are repeated enough, they become facts.

Interviews by The Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it's a public and secular institution that has been open to students of all faiths since before the White House hopeful attended in the late 1960s.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16813267...slamic-school/

Now the actual truth we don't know but we can all speculate depending on what we want to believe.

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Page 154 of Dreams From My Father - I'm holding it right in front of me -

"In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school, two years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies."

I think that pretty much settles that one.

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That is sacrilegious. Any good conservative wouldn't have such a book at home but instead just make up the story.

Now I'm going to have to be more careful with you.

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Oh FFS - with all the lying insane shit put out by the republican side of things I can't tell anymore what the F is going on...

Help me Obi Wan - you're my only hope...

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Conservative? Wah? I'm not a conservative of any sort. If I was allowed to register with a party it would be Democrat. Quite why you've come up with that is anyone's guess.

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I'm disappointed then. I thought I was going to be able to have a sensible debate with someone on the other side. I just thought maybe you were one of those almost extinct species.

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No mate - I'm just not as partisan as some that's all. Blows my mind when people actually believe their party is altruistic and the other is inherently nefarious.

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There you go again. Using words that I don't understand. Do you speak French also?

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This year is a little different that any other primary I have ever experienced. When Bush was running against McCain in 2000, I didn't think either was radical and if either won the nomination and became president, I was ok with that. When my g/f asked me which one I thought was better, I said they are both pretty much the same expect Bush wears his religion on his sleave. However I didn't expect that Bush was going to get us deeply involved in all those wars and had advisors that seemed to even want more wars. Also when Cheney was chosen as VP, I originally thought that was a pretty good choice but Cheney seemed to present himself in a sort of dictorial attitude when he was in office.

During 2008, again when McCain was nominated, I didn't think that was too bad of a choice and could accept him as president. The main thing I didn't like about McCain was that I worried that he would keep the US in Iraq and Afghanistan forever and may start another war with Iran and also didn't like that he had to pander to the far right to get the nomination (but I understood that he had to).

As far as this year crop of republican candidates, there were probably three that were acceptable to many on the left of center (Romney, Pawlenty, and Huntsman) even though they all pandered to the far right but some not as much as others. As far as Romney, I could probably be satisfied with him as president if I really knew were he stood on the issues. Unfortunately it is difficult to define where the center is anymore since of course we all know Obama is a communist.

As far as all other republican presidents prior to that, I didn't have any problems with any of them.

As far as Obama is concerned, he does pander to the unions but they get little, he panders to immigration reform but has done little in that effort, he thinks that universal health care is important, he would rather use diplomacy to settle conflicts instead of starting wars, he thinks that the banks should be regulated so that we don't have another economic crisis, he feels that the environment is important to protect, and he feels that there has been an inequality in income created over the past 30 years. To me, that doesn't sound anything more than mainstream democratic party for the past 40 years.

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The wife (USC) suddenly stated tonight that if Newt gets elected we are going to leave the country and go back to the UK. I fear she may have been serious!

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I'll be there right along with her! My UK immigrant visa is still valid!

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Hold your horses, there, Bluegrass Lass.

On the one hand, you've got this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...the-swamp.html

But on the other hand, you've got Georgie Fame Soros predicting a serious curtailment of civil liberties in the US:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...war.print.html