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Pooney Jul 12th 2012 7:11 am

Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 
Hello Everyone

I'm a British passport holder currently working for a US company base in Shanghai for the past 2 years. My family now have a good opportunity to relocate to our US office in Denver Co. But before we make this step I must be sure how much tax I need to pay as the difference between Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien is so big.

My company will help me apply for L1B visa and my question is will I qualify to be a 'resident alien'?

Any help on this topic will be hugely appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

Brds
Pooney

Chrisdc Jul 12th 2012 11:14 am

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 
Yes, to the IRS you will be a 'resident' alien.


Originally Posted by Pooney (Post 10168132)
Hello Everyone

I'm a British passport holder currently working for a US company base in Shanghai for the past 2 years. My family now have a good opportunity to relocate to our US office in Denver Co. But before we make this step I must be sure how much tax I need to pay as the difference between Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien is so big.

My company will help me apply for L1B visa and my question is will I qualify to be a 'resident alien'?

Any help on this topic will be hugely appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

Brds
Pooney


ian-mstm Jul 12th 2012 12:18 pm

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 

Originally Posted by Chrisdc (Post 10168510)
Yes, to the IRS you will be a 'resident' alien.

+1.

Ian

Bob Jul 12th 2012 7:23 pm

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 

Originally Posted by Chrisdc (Post 10168510)
Yes, to the IRS you will be a 'resident' alien.

And they will want a slice of your global income and asset reporting.

Moxie Jul 13th 2012 12:41 am

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 
Here's where the IRS explains it http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc851.html

You are resident alien if you have a greencard or "substantial presence" in the US.
To meet the substantial presence test, you must have been physically present in the United States on at least 31 days during the current year, and 183 days during the 3 year period that includes the current year and the 2 years immediately before. To satisfy the 183 days requirement, count all of the days you were present in the current year, and one-third of the days you were present in the first year before the current year, and one-sixth of the days you were present in the second year before the current year.
There's a lot more detail than that bit, so read the IRS page.

Michael Jul 13th 2012 12:47 am

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 10169552)
Here's where the IRS explains it http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc851.html

You are resident alien if you have a greencard or "substantial presence" in the US.
To meet the substantial presence test, you must have been physically present in the United States on at least 31 days during the current year, and 183 days during the 3 year period that includes the current year and the 2 years immediately before. To satisfy the 183 days requirement, count all of the days you were present in the current year, and one-third of the days you were present in the first year before the current year, and one-sixth of the days you were present in the second year before the current year.
There's a lot more detail than that bit, so read the IRS page.

However you can opt to be treated as a resident alien for tax purposes.

HarryTheSpider Jul 13th 2012 5:18 am

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 

Originally Posted by Michael (Post 10169561)
However you can opt to be treated as a resident alien for tax purposes.

AND it doesn't mean you can go in the US Citizens & Residents queue when coming in to the US from overseas...

Steve_ Jul 13th 2012 4:04 pm

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 

Originally Posted by Pooney (Post 10168132)
My company will help me apply for L1B visa and my question is will I qualify to be a 'resident alien'?

If you're coming from China you would be resident for tax purposes in the US after you move your principal residence to the US.

It is possible under various tax treaties to remain non-resident for tax purposes if you want to, but there isn't really any benefit if you're staying for a lengthy period of time. There are rare situations where it can make sense but usually those situations only apply to cross border commuters.

Your first tax return will be dual-status, which basically means a pro-rated return for the portion of the year you were in the US, read IRS Publication 519. As far as I'm aware there is no software that can do a dual-status return. Also if you leave the US on L-1B, your last return will also be dual-status unless you leave on December 31st.

kodokan Jul 16th 2012 4:24 am

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10170440)
Your first tax return will be dual-status, which basically means a pro-rated return for the portion of the year you were in the US, read IRS Publication 519.

This depends when you arrive. If you don't meet Substantial Presence (as outlined in the 519 publication), then you can instead be taxed as a non-resident for your first year. We arrived late in 2011, and our tax preparers ran the numbers 3 ways - dual, non-res or fully res for the whole of 2011 - and we chose which gave us the best number (non-res, in our case).

nun Jul 16th 2012 10:52 am

Re: Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien
 

Originally Posted by Pooney (Post 10168132)
Hello Everyone

I'm a British passport holder currently working for a US company base in Shanghai for the past 2 years. My family now have a good opportunity to relocate to our US office in Denver Co. But before we make this step I must be sure how much tax I need to pay as the difference between Non resident Alien Vs Resident Alien is so big.

My company will help me apply for L1B visa and my question is will I qualify to be a 'resident alien'?

Any help on this topic will be hugely appreciated.

Many thanks in advance.

Brds
Pooney

Your company should provide you with tax advice as part of your relocation package. The biggest issue I see is if you have non-US pensions and investments as these will complicate your US taxes. But I'd ask tour company to pay for the services of professional tax advisors while you have any US tax obligations.


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