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Old Jun 1st 2011, 6:28 pm
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Default New benefits law in Florida, what do you think?

I heard about this, this morning on the news, I don't know the all the details other than what was on the news. But the jist of it is, that people who want to claim welfare for children must have a drug test, that the claiment [sp?] pays for out of pocket, if the test comes back clean they get to claim the benefit and get refunded for the drug test. If the drug test comes postive for drug use they do not get the test money back and must name another person to recieve the child welfare.

From the responses I saw on the news it does not seem to getting a good welcome, personally I think it is a good idea and should be expanded to other states. What do you think?
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Sounds pretty typical of America - harassing & erecting bureaucratic hurdles to prevent poor people & children get even a minimal income. Presumably the state hopes that having to go off and pay for a test will prevent a proportion of qualified people from applying, thus saving the state money (so it can reduce the taxes of the wealthy, no doubt.) The parent can name another person to receive the benefit? That'll help put food on the family table.
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Sounds reasonable....................
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Default Re: New benefits law in Florida, what do you think?

Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
Sounds pretty typical of America - harassing & erecting bureaucratic hurdles to prevent poor people & children get even a minimal income. Presumably the state hopes that having to go off and pay for a test will prevent a proportion of qualified people from applying, thus saving the state money (so it can reduce the taxes of the wealthy, no doubt.) The parent can name another person to receive the benefit? That'll help put food on the family table.
I see what you are saying but could the state also be trying to make sure that the money they pay out for children actually goes to the children and not to some drug dealer for a quick fix?
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Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
Sounds pretty typical of America - harassing & erecting bureaucratic hurdles to prevent poor people & children get even a minimal income. Presumably the state hopes that having to go off and pay for a test will prevent a proportion of qualified people from applying, thus saving the state money (so it can reduce the taxes of the wealthy, no doubt.) The parent can name another person to receive the benefit? That'll help put food on the family table.
I would imagine that is the case.

Why don't they provide a free drug test if that is their true agenda?
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
I would imagine that is the case.

Why don't they provide a free drug test if that is their true agenda?
You do get the money refunded if you pass the drug test.
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Default Re: New benefits law in Florida, what do you think?

Originally Posted by Ash UK/US View Post
You do get the money refunded if you pass the drug test.
"Taking in each others' laundry" was how French people survived at the time of the revolution.
"Paying for tests" is how this country limps along economically. Pathetic.
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Default Re: New benefits law in Florida, what do you think?

The Government of the United States hates and abhors the disenfranchised citizens of this nation and is actively trying to kill them by enacting laws like this. There is no other explaination.

People receiving benefits from the Government deserve those benefits because the fact that they need benefits at all points to a failure of that Government to ensure that it's people are prosperous. Therefore, if they want to take that money and spend it on drugs and cheetos and Kool Aid powder it's none of the government's business.
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Originally Posted by Ash UK/US View Post
You do get the money refunded if you pass the drug test.
Yes, but I think it will put people off - and we know it takes a long time to get refunds on anything.
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Yes, but I think it will put people off - and we know it takes a long time to get refunds on anything.
Yes, waiting for a refund from the government is rather like fitting wheels to a tomato. Time consuming and utterly useless . . .

In seriousness, I'm rather with ABY on this one. That people need to claim benefits is largely the fault of the government by failing to address the unemployment and other issues. Who's to say the drug problem wouldn't be related to the inability to find work, depression as a result et cetera.

When I was on the dole, I spent most of my giro on beer and B&H. Did the government have to piss me before I signed on to see if I was drinking too much? Nope. Nor did we, when I worked in Income Support, use drugs as a metric for the eligibility to a benefit.

Quite sad, really when you think about it.

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Yes, waiting for a refund from the government is rather like fitting wheels to a tomato. Time consuming and utterly useless . . .

In seriousness, I'm rather with ABY on this one. That people need to claim benefits is largely the fault of the government by failing to address the unemployment and other issues. Who's to say the drug problem wouldn't be related to the inability to find work, depression as a result et cetera.

When I was on the dole, I spent most of my giro on beer and B&H. Did the government have to piss me before I signed on to see if I was drinking too much? Nope. Nor did we, when I worked in Income Support, use drugs as a metric for the eligibility to a benefit.

Quite sad, really when you think about it.
The way it is approached here is certainly very different, with more of a Victorian 'deserving and undeserving poor' slant.

What I have come across since emigrating has strengthened my belief that our system, even with its faults and abuses, is better.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
I would imagine that is the case.

Why don't they provide a free drug test if that is their true agenda?
And why not help people overcome their drug addiction? Oh wait, that would be "socialism" and therefore evil. Far better just to deny them benefits.

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And why not help people overcome their drug addiction? Oh wait, that would be "socialism" and therefore evil. Far better just to deny them benefits.
Very true. Also the question of what happens once the State knows about that person's drug addiction. Would they class that parent as unfit and remove the kids from their care? It seems like a good idea on the face of it but once you look deeper, it begins to look like a case of Big Brother intruding on your rights and privacy

The idea that cutting welfare for those on drugs would somehow magically ween them off the habit is also a bit naive. To me that seems like washing your hands of the problem and sticking your head in the sand. I'd expect to see petty crime to increase in FL over the next few months sadly.

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Forgot to add the link to the story earlier...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/...x.html?npt=NP1
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Maybe it is time to rethink the Global War on Drugs, as it doesn't look like victory will be declared any time soon.
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