Need a bit of US Tax clarification
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Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Hello all,
The good lady and I (both British citizens) moved to the US on an L1 (and L2 respectively) in late January/early February this year and have been loving my British Expat life. I'm starting to think about filing our US tax returns early next year and I have a question.
It would significantly benefit my wife and I if we were able to file under a Married-Filing-Jointly status, but I understand that we'd have to elect to be treated as full year resident for tax purposes for us to do that. That's not a problem as we didn't earn significant income in the UK in the early part of 2016 to pay US tax on, but is it even possible for us both to elect to be treated as full year residents, rather than dual-status and use the Married-Filing-Jointly status for the 2016 tax year?
Thanks!
The good lady and I (both British citizens) moved to the US on an L1 (and L2 respectively) in late January/early February this year and have been loving my British Expat life. I'm starting to think about filing our US tax returns early next year and I have a question.
It would significantly benefit my wife and I if we were able to file under a Married-Filing-Jointly status, but I understand that we'd have to elect to be treated as full year resident for tax purposes for us to do that. That's not a problem as we didn't earn significant income in the UK in the early part of 2016 to pay US tax on, but is it even possible for us both to elect to be treated as full year residents, rather than dual-status and use the Married-Filing-Jointly status for the 2016 tax year?
Thanks!
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
It would significantly benefit my wife and I if we were able to file under a Married-Filing-Jointly status, but I understand that we'd have to elect to be treated as full year resident for tax purposes for us to do that. That's not a problem as we didn't earn significant income in the UK in the early part of 2016 to pay US tax on, but is it even possible for us both to elect to be treated as full year residents, rather than dual-status and use the Married-Filing-Jointly status for the 2016 tax year?
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Thanks Olly. Did you use a CPA to do this for you, or is it straightforward enough that even a numpty like me could use TurboTax etc?
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
I guess it depends how complex your taxes are but I did a fair bit of reading to get my head around it and then used TurboTax to actually file.
If you have complex affairs I guess it might be worth using a CPA.
Don't forget FBAR and Form 8938 if you have money held overseas and you meet the filing thresholds
If you have complex affairs I guess it might be worth using a CPA.
Don't forget FBAR and Form 8938 if you have money held overseas and you meet the filing thresholds
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Hello all,
The good lady and I (both British citizens) moved to the US on an L1 (and L2 respectively) in late January/early February this year and have been loving my British Expat life. I'm starting to think about filing our US tax returns early next year and I have a question.
It would significantly benefit my wife and I if we were able to file under a Married-Filing-Jointly status, but I understand that we'd have to elect to be treated as full year resident for tax purposes for us to do that. That's not a problem as we didn't earn significant income in the UK in the early part of 2016 to pay US tax on, but is it even possible for us both to elect to be treated as full year residents, rather than dual-status and use the Married-Filing-Jointly status for the 2016 tax year?
Thanks!
The good lady and I (both British citizens) moved to the US on an L1 (and L2 respectively) in late January/early February this year and have been loving my British Expat life. I'm starting to think about filing our US tax returns early next year and I have a question.
It would significantly benefit my wife and I if we were able to file under a Married-Filing-Jointly status, but I understand that we'd have to elect to be treated as full year resident for tax purposes for us to do that. That's not a problem as we didn't earn significant income in the UK in the early part of 2016 to pay US tax on, but is it even possible for us both to elect to be treated as full year residents, rather than dual-status and use the Married-Filing-Jointly status for the 2016 tax year?
Thanks!
You'd have to remember to include both sets of elections, signed by you and by you both. You'd also have to remember to report all of your foreign financial assets and understand if you own any PFICs.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Thankfully my UK affairs are very simplistic. No residual income, minimal balances in the bank accounts and my parents are living in my old house back there.
I'm still considering professional advice, though hugely appreciate the wise words here.
I'm still considering professional advice, though hugely appreciate the wise words here.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Further question: I have just received my 1095-B for last year and shows the good lady as not having health coverage until April (accurate, unfortunately). She only arrived in the country in February thus giving her the "less than 3 months" requirement for the shared responsibility payment exemption.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Further question: I have just received my 1095-B for last year and shows the good lady as not having health coverage until April (accurate, unfortunately). She only arrived in the country in February thus giving her the "less than 3 months" requirement for the shared responsibility payment exemption.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Further question: I have just received my 1095-B for last year and shows the good lady as not having health coverage until April (accurate, unfortunately). She only arrived in the country in February thus giving her the "less than 3 months" requirement for the shared responsibility payment exemption.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
I paid for a CPA at HR Block because I was unable to file online taxes as I did not qualify as a full year resident in the US the first year I moved here. It was $300 but worth it, since then I just file online.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
So they had an actually CPA do your return ? Many are enrolled agents (EA) at H & R block, I didn't know for usual tax returns. $300 sounds pretty good.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
NB most people on here are not CPA's so you may want to confirm what anyone says. Hopefully information given will point you in the right direction.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
H and R Block is not a CPA firm, though many of the people doing the returns are called Enrolled Agents (EA) meaning they go through some level of certification by the IRS. By standardizing their services with good software (pretty easy to actually do simple returns online yourself) they offer for many a reasonable priced service. Since I assume you had some international type issues in your return, $300 is pretty good as I know of one case where a very simple return cost $140. Also they keep your returns on file so if your are travelling pretty easy to get access to information.
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Re: Need a bit of US Tax clarification
Further question: I have just received my 1095-B for last year and shows the good lady as not having health coverage until April (accurate, unfortunately). She only arrived in the country in February thus giving her the "less than 3 months" requirement for the shared responsibility payment exemption.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.
However, given that we will be electing to be treated as full year residents for tax purposes so we can use Married-Filing-Jointly, does this then mean that the exemption for the shared responsibility payment becomes invalid and we'll need to pay the penalty, even though she wasn't in the country in January?
Any insights appreciated.