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scrubbedexpat099 Jun 29th 2011 5:11 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by fatbrit (Post 9464781)
Not a particularly difficult one! You make it a condition that you were physically present in the US at some arbitrary time a year or so before the bill's date.

How do you prove that?

fatbrit Jun 29th 2011 5:17 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 9465200)
How do you prove that?

How do you prove anything?

A preponderance of the evidence is fine for me.

scrubbedexpat099 Jun 30th 2011 12:49 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by fatbrit (Post 9465217)
How do you prove anything?

A preponderance of the evidence is fine for me.

They have no evidence.

By definition they are undocumented.

Marocco Jun 30th 2011 1:19 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 9466907)
They have no evidence.

By definition they are undocumented.

What definition would that be? "Undocumented" is a generic term used by the media - by itself it means nothing.

ian-mstm Jun 30th 2011 1:44 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Marocco (Post 9466970)
"Undocumented" is a generic term used by the media - by itself it means nothing.

It's also the term used by the US government... and, in fact, it has a specific meaning: EWI.

Ian

fatbrit Jun 30th 2011 3:05 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 9466907)
They have no evidence.

By definition they are undocumented.

:blink:

So let's say that a person who has to prove they were in the country on a certain day shows you a pay check for the local fast food joint that they worked a 40-hour week at that time. Furthermore, they bring evidence showing their kid was in school on that day, and finish it off with an affidavit from their minister stating they had been a member of the congregation for many years and were present in the US on that date.

Marocco Jun 30th 2011 7:07 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by ian-mstm (Post 9467009)
It's also the term used by the US government... and, in fact, it has a specific meaning: EWI.

Ian

Do you have a source?

Bob Jun 30th 2011 7:41 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Marocco (Post 9467601)
Do you have a source?

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

Under AOS section...Entry Without Inspection is mentioned quite a lot.

iray Jun 30th 2011 10:37 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Marocco (Post 9467601)
Do you have a source?

I don't think "undocumented" necessarily only means they individual has no document to show their status, it can mean that their entry/permission to remain here was not documented by the government. But I agree with you that when the media use it, the mean someone who doesn't have a document authorising them to be here.

Marocco Jun 30th 2011 6:14 pm

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 9467668)
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/usc...00082ca60aRCRD

Under AOS section...Entry Without Inspection is mentioned quite a lot.

The word "undocumented" is not even mentioned once. I was asking Ian for a source about his statement that officially undocumented = EWI.

newXgate Jul 1st 2011 4:37 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 9466907)
They have no evidence.

By definition they are undocumented.

They have no evidence of their entry. However, there are plenty of ways one could prove one's presence in the country, at a certain date, even if undocumented. Receipts, bank statements, utility bills, pay stubs, ATM withdrawal receipts, for example. Unless someone is flying completely under the radar all the time, it could be done.

Ray Jul 1st 2011 4:58 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Marocco (Post 9468460)
The word "undocumented" is not even mentioned once. I was asking Ian for a source about his statement that officially undocumented = EWI.

The politically correct term undocumented immigrant started with former INS (Immigration and Naturalization Service) Commissioner Leonel J. Castillo during the Carter Administration (1977-81). The word undocumented wormed its way from the widely discredited and now defunct INS to politically-correct media, cheap labor corporations, ethnic vote pandering politicians, and pro-illegal alien 'rights' organizations, many of which are race biased. Even the highest officials including President Bush and former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt pander to the extent they even call illegal aliens citizens

scrubbedexpat099 Jul 1st 2011 9:57 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 
The first time I came to the US on hols was c 1995. I think I have much of the documentation.

One interesting issue that arise out of those who have worked without authorisation is that they are asking for I9's......

Often thought a U Visa would be an interesting concept in these cases.

PS They are Citizens, just not US ones.

iray Jul 2nd 2011 3:41 am

Re: My Life As An Undocumented Immigrant
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 9469736)

Often thought a U Visa would be an interesting concept in these cases.

I had never heard of this type of visa, thanks for mentioning it.


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