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My dinky UK pension / advice

Old Apr 29th 2012, 11:56 am
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I have a small pension with Clerical medical to the value of £500. I know, impressive investment. Once I move to the USA, it will languish here in the UK.

In the USA, I could cash it out. But in the UK I believe I can't do that. What happens to it? Can I move it to my USA pension fund? Can I get my sticky fingers on it in cash?
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Old Apr 29th 2012, 1:26 pm
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I have a small pension with Clerical medical to the value of £500. I know, impressive investment. Once I move to the USA, it will languish here in the UK.

In the USA, I could cash it out. But in the UK I believe I can't do that. What happens to it? Can I move it to my USA pension fund? Can I get my sticky fingers on it in cash?
You cannot move it to a US pension fund!

What type of UK pension is it? An employee final salary pension, a personal pension? and who made the contributions; you or your employer. These things might be relevant to how the pension will be treated by the IRS.

Whether or not you can get to your cash is a question for your UK pension provider.
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You cannot move it to a US pension fund!

What type of UK pension is it? An employee final salary pension, a personal pension? and who made the contributions; you or your employer. These things might be relevant to how the pension will be treated by the IRS.

Whether or not you can get to your cash is a question for your UK pension provider.
It's a personal pension I started about 4 years ago, but only paid in for a year.
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It's a personal pension I started about 4 years ago, but only paid in for a year.
Whether you can cash it out early is a question for your UK provider.

If you have the personal pension when you become US resident there are two options for how to deal with it:

1) claim tax treaty pension benefits under Article 18 of the UK/US tax treaty. This will shelter all gains from US taxation. You file 8833 to claim treaty benefits although for pensions the IRS says its not strictly necessary.

2) Don't claim treaty pension benefits. Then you have to file foreign trust and PFIC forms, but gains may well be US tax free under the treaty and you pay capital gains and dividend tax rather than income tax when you take distributions.

Tax professionals disagree about which approach is correct. It comes down to interpretation and which approach will produce the best financial result for the tax payer.

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