here4help

I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but..

how do you force someone to leave the country who is mentally ill,delusional, paranoia about his no visa status , i already have the emergency travel document issued but how do i force him to get on the plane so i can take him to his country and get medically treated?
Any help, advice would be highly appreciated!
God Bless!

Noorah101

Not sure you can force anyone to do anything. Why can't he get help here, why does he need to leave the country?

First you say he has no visa status (so what is his status here?), then you say he has an emergency travel document (what is this and how was it obtained?). And why was it obtained...there's no checkpoint when exiting the USA.

Rene

here4help

thanks for your reply

no visa status means - he ran out of visa so basically illegally staying without being aware of it due to his mental illness, so when i went to usa last month i found out about all this and went to the embassy - they issued an emergency travel document which is valid for 90 days - this document can be issued only once and can be used when the person leaving the country doesnt have a valid passport as his current passport got expired 8 months ago and cant be renewed without other legal documents which he doesnt have.

So the only option is forcefully take him out of the country, he cant get treated in the usa - no visa- no job- no medical insurance - hes mentally ill but doesnt think he is , so you have to force him to the doctor too and then someone has to stay there to make sure he takes the meds.

any suggestions?

tom169

Do you actually have power to make medical decisions for this person?

ian-mstm

Actually, that's not the only option... although, perhaps, it's the only one you're considering.


Yes - go back home and forget about the guy! If you try to force him out of the country you could be charged with kidnapping (a felony) under international law... and it doesn't matter that you managed to get an emergency travel document for him. He didn't need it anyway since there's no immigration exit control in the US - and so long as he has a passport for his home country they have to let him in.

Also, tom169 is right. Unless you have a written power of attorney or a written medical power of attorney for this person then you have no legal right to do anything with him.

Go home - it's his life, let him live it... yes, even if he's delusional.

Ian

Noorah101

What visa did he have that is now expired?

What is your relationship to him? Friend, family?

Do you have power of attorney to handle his affairs?

Rene

Guindalf

As stated above, unless you have POA. there's nothing you can do to 'force' him onto a plane. If he's an adult, he has the right to live as he wants without your interference. What is your relationship with him?

You state that he 'ran out of visa', which makes no sense. a visa is an entry document and is valid for a period of time, so he would have entered on a visa (or using the VWP) and maybe not left within the period allowed by that entry method, which is it and how long is the overstay?

How is he financing his stay here? Does he have a very large UK bank account or is he working? I ask because if he's an overstay, then there's the possibility of reporting him to the authorities and have him deported. This is devious and underhanded, but it may be a solution.

Pulaski

How did you obtain an emergency travel document for him? Did you have any legal authority to do so, or did you obtain it fraudulently, albeit with good intentions?

Ozzidoc

(Cross-posted with several posters - I'm a slow typist)


I agree with Ian's assessment except the sentiment in his last sentence.

There are several more avenues to which you might be able to turn for some guidance, although ultimately the journey you are on will continue to be fraught as well as being a time and energy sink.

There are two key issues. 1. Health-related (it seems you don't have any legal position) 2. Current immigration status

1. will reveal itself over time - person gets worse, is ultimately detained and then consular involved and deported back to home country, or the person improves and they themselves will or will not sort out issue 2, which is their call.

YOUR current role is as a concerned person. Regarding the person's mental health, few people can help until the situation is pretty dire and appears to be unsafe.

Does the person have any family that can/should be contacted?

Contact the (nearest) consulate of the country of which the unwell person is a citizen and ask them for guidance. It may be that they can only intervene when called by social services via the emergency room or similar. (And the consular rep will know the legal process related to acting on a citizen's behalf etc).

Additionally, in your shoes I might contact the Catholic Charities, which holds a number of non-religious contracts to deliver various non-religious services. If they can't help, they may be able to put you in contact with someone who can.

Finally, if this appears to be a drug-induced first event, it may be that there are other organizations out there can help with the first steps. (In another life, another country, I was amazed to see the number of late-teens who visited Amsterdam for the first time and after several days there were required in-patient psychiatric care as soon as they returned to the UK.)


At this stage you are simply a concerned bystander to the situation. I understand your wish to help and likely frustration at the situation.

This is the situation as I see it, and my advice may simply be only worth what you have paid for it.

(DoI. I'm a medical doctor, not currently licensed, not practicing, not yours etc)

Noorah101

I just read this part again. He CAN get treated in the USA. Take him to a doctor and pay the bill in cash, or offer to make payments at a hospital. They will treat him. Perhaps if they can get him on the right meds (was it something he was taking before and has now stopped?), he will calm down and be able to decide to get on the plane himself. Since you are so concerned, perhaps you can be the one to stay with him to make sure he takes the meds and stay long enough to get him stable and talk him into returning home. Of course you will be responsible for his medical payments, but it sounds like you want to be the responsible one for him, so that's what it entails.

Rene

Rete

Morning

Your post is perhaps more than a little misleading or at least leaves many questions in the minds of the readers.

1. Is the person who is overstaying their visa in the US of UK citizenship?

2. Did this person actually enter with a formal visa or under the VWP?

3. Where is the person currently living in the US?

4. How is the person currently financially supporting themselves?

5. Did the emergency travel document you obtained on this person's behalf come of the British Consulate?

6. Do you have POA over this person? Is he your parent, child, husband, friend?

7. Do you have paperwork from a doctor in the UK (if they are from there) that gives the diagnosis that you claim this person has?

8. Were they under care previously for this condition?

9. Are they or were they on meds that controlled these symptoms at the time of their travel and are they now off of them?

10. Is this person a physical threat to themselves or to others?

Frankly, if points 7, 8, 9, 10 are affirmative, I would see if this person could be picked up and taken to a psych hospital for evaluation and care. From there when they are released, ICE can escort them to the airport and see that they are removed from the US.

Consult with an immigration attorney and public health officials.

scrubbedexpat099

As an aside it seems that it is very difficult to get somebody committed, nor is there likely to be a forced departure this side of deportation which for most is very unlikely.