Originally Posted by Hiro11

As my buddy Michael Moore pointed out, plenty of countries have higher incidences of gun ownership than the US (Switzerland and Canada, for two examples). The mere presence of guns isn't enough. Also, every single gun ban ever attempted (UK and Washington DC for example) has resulted in higher crime rates.

This tragic case devestates me (particularly as the father of two young girls in school), but (as has been pointed out) the fact is that a lunatic with a handgun isn't the norm. Killing in this country is much more often clinical and crime related... I can't tell which is worse.

It's worth noting that violent crime has plumeted in the US over the past several decades, but it still doesn't explain why it's so high here...

One more note, several studies have shown violent crime is worse in the UK than in the US, here's the results of one from the WODC:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...2Fncrim123.xml

Originally Posted by Hiro11

As my buddy Michael Moore pointed out, plenty of countries have higher incidences of gun ownership than the US (Switzerland and Canada, for two examples).

Originally Posted by elfman

So basically Canadians and Swiss people can be trusted with guns but Americans can't.

Originally Posted by Hiro11

As my buddy Michael Moore pointed out, plenty of countries have higher incidences of gun ownership than the US (Switzerland and Canada, for two examples). The mere presence of guns isn't enough. Also, every single gun ban ever attempted (UK and Washington DC for example) has resulted in higher crime rates.

This tragic case devestates me (particularly as the father of two young girls in school), but (as has been pointed out) the fact is that a lunatic with a handgun isn't the norm. Killing in this country is much more often clinical and crime related... I can't tell which is worse.

It's worth noting that violent crime has plumeted in the US over the past several decades, but it still doesn't explain why it's so high here...

One more note, several studies have shown violent crime is worse in the UK than in the US, here's the results of one from the WODC:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...2Fncrim123.xml

Originally Posted by Hiro11

Also, every single gun ban ever attempted (UK and Washington DC for example) has resulted in higher crime rates.

Originally Posted by Hiro11

The mere presence of guns isn't enough.

Originally Posted by lionheart

Hiro 11 has also diluted the stats with violent crime stats. I'd say you can't get more violent than having your life taken away by being shot;

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

Maybe it's just me though

Originally Posted by Hiro11

As my buddy Michael Moore pointed out, plenty of countries have higher incidences of gun ownership than the US (Switzerland and Canada, for two examples). The mere presence of guns isn't enough. Also, every single gun ban ever attempted (UK and Washington DC for example) has resulted in higher crime rates.

This tragic case devestates me (particularly as the father of two young girls in school), but (as has been pointed out) the fact is that a lunatic with a handgun isn't the norm. Killing in this country is much more often clinical and crime related... I can't tell which is worse.

It's worth noting that violent crime has plumeted in the US over the past several decades, but it still doesn't explain why it's so high here...

One more note, several studies have shown violent crime is worse in the UK than in the US, here's the results of one from the WODC:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...2Fncrim123.xml

Originally Posted by lionheart

The statistics per capita and the body count bear out the rationale that the law needs to be changed.

Originally Posted by BigDavyG

I'm sure they'll get round to it once they rid this country of the menace that is people playing 5c poker from the comfort of their own homes - an insidious activity if ever there was one

Originally Posted by gruffbrown

Don't start, F**king ban.......

Originally Posted by BigDavyG

My fav bit is the way they tacked it onto an anti-terrorist bill so no-one will ever dare to oppose it.
One good thing though - they have been so ham-fisted in framing the new law that they have left the door wide open for the wto to lay the smackdown on them - will be interesting to see if the wto have any balls at all.
If the wto fail to act I look forward to the UK telling potential 'super-casino' operators from the US to p!ss away off.
Unfortunately that's not very likely to happen

Originally Posted by luivega

You seen the (lack of) media noise where GW tacked on a pardon for war crimes for himself and his cronies onto other legislation?

http://www.youtube.com/v/S4ADlZViASo

Andrea