At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Oct 2nd 2006, 10:01 am
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by TruBrit
ohhh i do like it when you get all offical like 
Oct 2nd 2006, 10:05 am
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Do you mean the difference in injuries? It can be a bit of a gray area but ABH (Section 47) would generally be maybe a black eye, cuts, bruises that kind of thing. GBH (Section 18) would be stuff like broken limbs or knife wounds (other than attempted murder or manslaughter...which incidentally can be got for things like kicking someone in the head when they are down). A lot depends on the circumstances and what the CPS would think would get a conviction in the individual case. We may arrest on say a section 18 (GBH) if someone glassed someone in a pub fight but the actual charges might be reduced to a sec. 47 if it was more likely to get a conviction. (Lower assault charges are easier to prove and hence convict). I've even had more serious injury arrests reduced to common assault by the CPS lawyer in certain cases just to ensure a conviction when a 47 or 18 would be dodgy to get due to circumstances.
Common assault can be something as simple as a slap on the back or a tap on the arm - any unlawful physical contact - believe it or not.
Common assault can be something as simple as a slap on the back or a tap on the arm - any unlawful physical contact - believe it or not.
Oct 2nd 2006, 10:07 am
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Common assault can be something as simple as a slap on the back or a tap on the arm - any unlawful physical contact - believe it or not.
Oct 2nd 2006, 10:11 am
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by TouristTrap
Which is not on Italian law books, obviously
Oct 2nd 2006, 10:14 am
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
I am assuming quoting statistics per 1000 of population does not cover the fact that the USA has a population approx 5x that of the UK. There is obviously more crime with a greater number of people.
Very badly explained-- just ignore this please.
Very badly explained-- just ignore this please.
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Oct 2nd 2006, 10:17 am
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Would be interesting to see figures per 1000 for the different States.
Oct 2nd 2006, 10:28 am
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by tony126
I am assuming quoting statistics per 1000 of population does not cover the fact that the USA has a population approx 5x that of the UK. There is obviously more crime with a greater number of people.
Oct 2nd 2006, 12:56 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by Angry White Pyjamas
Do you mean the difference in injuries? It can be a bit of a gray area but ABH (Section 47) would generally be maybe a black eye, cuts, bruises that kind of thing. GBH (Section 18) would be stuff like broken limbs or knife wounds (other than attempted murder or manslaughter...which incidentally can be got for things like kicking someone in the head when they are down). A lot depends on the circumstances and what the CPS would think would get a conviction in the individual case. We may arrest on say a section 18 (GBH) if someone glassed someone in a pub fight but the actual charges might be reduced to a sec. 47 if it was more likely to get a conviction. (Lower assault charges are easier to prove and hence convict). I've even had more serious injury arrests reduced to common assault by the CPS lawyer in certain cases just to ensure a conviction when a 47 or 18 would be dodgy to get due to circumstances.
Common assault can be something as simple as a slap on the back or a tap on the arm - any unlawful physical contact - believe it or not.
Common assault can be something as simple as a slap on the back or a tap on the arm - any unlawful physical contact - believe it or not.
Oct 2nd 2006, 1:05 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
3 school shootings in the last week or so.
Constitution or no constitution,it is no longer relevant to 250 years ago when people were fighting the British, that's what amendments are for FFS.
Why do I need to go to Big 5 or another sports store and buy a pump action shotgun( similar to one used in the Terminator movies) on sale on any given week for $200 or so.
The statistics per capita and the body count bear out the rationale that the law needs to be changed.
Constitution or no constitution,it is no longer relevant to 250 years ago when people were fighting the British, that's what amendments are for FFS.
Why do I need to go to Big 5 or another sports store and buy a pump action shotgun( similar to one used in the Terminator movies) on sale on any given week for $200 or so.
The statistics per capita and the body count bear out the rationale that the law needs to be changed.
Oct 2nd 2006, 1:07 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by paddingtongreen
Damn, they're getting particular these days. Those things used to be normal extra curricular activities around 'The Bush', when I was a youth.
Oct 2nd 2006, 1:08 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
It's heartbreaking 
Oct 2nd 2006, 1:19 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by lionheart
3 school shootings in the last week or so.
Constitution or no constitution,it is no longer relevant to 250 years ago when people were fighting the British, that's what amendments are for FFS.
Why do I need to go to Big 5 or another sports store and buy a pump action shotgun( similar to one used in the Terminator movies) on sale on any given week for $200 or so.
The statistics per capita and the body count bear out the rationale that the law needs to be changed.
Constitution or no constitution,it is no longer relevant to 250 years ago when people were fighting the British, that's what amendments are for FFS.
Why do I need to go to Big 5 or another sports store and buy a pump action shotgun( similar to one used in the Terminator movies) on sale on any given week for $200 or so.
The statistics per capita and the body count bear out the rationale that the law needs to be changed.
There is a legal right to have them which is sacrosanct.
Only criminals kill with them.
Its a symbol of US freedom regardless of body count.
Oct 2nd 2006, 1:34 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by gardnma
Don't "beat around the bush" Paddy, you was a Ted weren't you? Knuckle dusters and flicknives right?
True story. There was a dance at St. Mary Cray every week. but it often ended in bovver. They decided to cool it off by banning the Teds, so everyone turned up very smart in blazer, tie, and flannels. Most would stop for a cuppa and sarnie at a cafe there before the dance. The Bill arrived to do a "pat down". No weapons were found, everyone left for the dance, and then the law turned the tables and chairs upside down end removed the various razors, knives chains, etc. that were stuck there with chewing gum.
Oct 2nd 2006, 1:40 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Guns kill people.
Oct 2nd 2006, 1:42 pm
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Re: At least 6 dead in Amish school shooting
Originally Posted by lionheart
3 school shootings in the last week or so.
Constitution or no constitution,it is no longer relevant to 250 years ago when people were fighting the British, that's what amendments are for FFS.
Why do I need to go to Big 5 or another sports store and buy a pump action shotgun( similar to one used in the Terminator movies) on sale on any given week for $200 or so.
The statistics per capita and the body count bear out the rationale that the law needs to be changed.
Constitution or no constitution,it is no longer relevant to 250 years ago when people were fighting the British, that's what amendments are for FFS.
Why do I need to go to Big 5 or another sports store and buy a pump action shotgun( similar to one used in the Terminator movies) on sale on any given week for $200 or so.
The statistics per capita and the body count bear out the rationale that the law needs to be changed.
This tragic case devestates me (particularly as the father of two young girls in school), but (as has been pointed out) the fact is that a lunatic with a handgun isn't the norm. Killing in this country is much more often clinical and crime related... I can't tell which is worse.
It's worth noting that violent crime has plumeted in the US over the past several decades, but it still doesn't explain why it's so high here...
One more note, several studies have shown violent crime is worse in the UK than in the US, here's the results of one from the WODC:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...2Fncrim123.xml
