Land of the Free ??
Jan 24th 2006, 6:12 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by User Name
That's one of the points I am making ... at least we are compensated under this new U.S. Supreme Court ruling, so why do so many bleat on and on about this new ruling when in fact there is compensation given to those that lose their property under this ruling.
Because over the centuries people have been forceably evicted from their lands and homes then there's nothing wrong with that continuing.
Compensation is neither here nor there if people are being moved against their will to make way for a poxy hotel or walmart just so some millionaire can get his/her grubby hands on a few extra bucks.
Jan 24th 2006, 6:31 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
So just to clarify your point.
Because over the centuries people have been forceably evicted from their lands and homes then there's nothing wrong with that continuing.
Compensation is neither here nor there if people are being moved against their will to make way for a poxy hotel or walmart just so some millionaire can get his/her grubby hands on a few extra bucks.
Because over the centuries people have been forceably evicted from their lands and homes then there's nothing wrong with that continuing.
Compensation is neither here nor there if people are being moved against their will to make way for a poxy hotel or walmart just so some millionaire can get his/her grubby hands on a few extra bucks.
Jan 24th 2006, 6:37 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by User Name
Nope. It is always fundamentally wrong to destroy a culture, that is a terrible act. Many Indian Tribes were not merely moved, but wiped out of existence, some under the colour of English law and the King of England. At least under the new U.S. Supreme Court ruling, folks are compensated and are certainly not wiped out of existence. Also, the same kind of rules and laws exist in the UK, the dockland redevelopment schemes being one example. The building of commercial office buildings and business parks on land taken (with compensation) from other property owners is a fact of life in the UK, not just in the USA.
Nor does it have anything to do with dockland regeneration schemes in the UK.
What many people are afraid of is the unholy alliances that exist in the US between big businesses and politicians and the potential that this law provides big business to exploit their political connections to line their own pockets.
If you thinks its fair that an under-priviledged community could potentially be swept aside to make way for a new mall then that's fair enough, but i can assure you that similar laws have not been abused in the UK - it appears that people expect that they will be abused in the US.
Jan 24th 2006, 6:45 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Though there were some conflicts with indians in those days didn't the europeans mostly live in relatively small settlements and trade with the 'locals'.
There was certainly no organised genocide on the scale perpatrated by the US government in the late 19th century.
There was certainly no organised genocide on the scale perpatrated by the US government in the late 19th century.
But as to organized genocide ... so, the massive full-scale bombing in Iraq by the RAF from October 1922 and until 1932 don't count ... what happened in Scotland - the land clearances don't count ... neither does the British Army massacres in British controlled India ... the list is endless ... are you saying the great British Empire wasn't an organized effort to stretch British rule right around the globe (sun never set on the British Empire, etc.) simply never happened? That other countries just invited us in, that we used thousands of British troops to occupy these foreign lands and enforce British rule was merely an unfortunate coincidence?
I am only pointing to the duplicity here. We bleat about a new ruling like it is the end of the world, and ignore the awful things done in under the colour of British rule and/or occupation. The splitting of Ireland, the domination of Wales, the annexation of Scotland, the fight by the King of England to maintain domination in what later became the USA.
Jan 24th 2006, 6:51 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
If you thinks its fair that an under-priviledged community could potentially be swept aside to make way for a new mall then that's fair enough, but i can assure you that similar laws have not been abused in the UK - it appears that people expect that they will be abused in the US.
Jan 24th 2006, 6:55 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by User Name
The point I am making is some of us see fit to bleep on about a new US court ruling, while ignoring the simple fact that the equivalent rule exists in the UK and has existed for decades.
But as to organized genocide ... so, the massive full-scale bombing in Iraq by the RAF from October 1922 and until 1932 don't count ... what happened in Scotland - the land clearances don't count ... neither does the British Army massacres in British controlled India ... the list is endless ... are you saying the great British Empire wasn't an organized effort to stretch British rule right around the globe (sun never set on the British Empire, etc.) simply never happened? That other countries just invited us in, that we used thousands of British troops to occupy these foreign lands and enforce British rule was merely an unfortunate coincidence?
I am only pointing to the duplicity here. We bleat about a new ruling like it is the end of the world, and ignore the awful things done in under the colour of British rule and/or occupation. The splitting of Ireland, the domination of Wales, the annexation of Scotland, the fight by the King of England to maintain domination in what later became the USA.
But as to organized genocide ... so, the massive full-scale bombing in Iraq by the RAF from October 1922 and until 1932 don't count ... what happened in Scotland - the land clearances don't count ... neither does the British Army massacres in British controlled India ... the list is endless ... are you saying the great British Empire wasn't an organized effort to stretch British rule right around the globe (sun never set on the British Empire, etc.) simply never happened? That other countries just invited us in, that we used thousands of British troops to occupy these foreign lands and enforce British rule was merely an unfortunate coincidence?
I am only pointing to the duplicity here. We bleat about a new ruling like it is the end of the world, and ignore the awful things done in under the colour of British rule and/or occupation. The splitting of Ireland, the domination of Wales, the annexation of Scotland, the fight by the King of England to maintain domination in what later became the USA.
The more I read the more sleepy I get.Who cares what the UK laws have to do with it.
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Jan 24th 2006, 7:02 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by User Name
The point I am making is some of us see fit to bleep on about a new US court ruling, while ignoring the simple fact that the equivalent rule exists in the UK and has existed for decades.
But as to organized genocide ... so, the massive full-scale bombing in Iraq by the RAF from October 1922 and until 1932 don't count ... what happened in Scotland - the land clearances don't count ... neither does the British Army massacres in British controlled India ... the list is endless ... are you saying the great British Empire wasn't an organized effort to stretch British rule right around the globe (sun never set on the British Empire, etc.) simply never happened? That other countries just invited us in, that we used thousands of British troops to occupy these foreign lands and enforce British rule was merely an unfortunate coincidence?
I am only pointing to the duplicity here. We bleat about a new ruling like it is the end of the world, and ignore the awful things done in under the colour of British rule and/or occupation. The splitting of Ireland, the domination of Wales, the annexation of Scotland, the fight by the King of England to maintain domination in what later became the USA.
But as to organized genocide ... so, the massive full-scale bombing in Iraq by the RAF from October 1922 and until 1932 don't count ... what happened in Scotland - the land clearances don't count ... neither does the British Army massacres in British controlled India ... the list is endless ... are you saying the great British Empire wasn't an organized effort to stretch British rule right around the globe (sun never set on the British Empire, etc.) simply never happened? That other countries just invited us in, that we used thousands of British troops to occupy these foreign lands and enforce British rule was merely an unfortunate coincidence?
I am only pointing to the duplicity here. We bleat about a new ruling like it is the end of the world, and ignore the awful things done in under the colour of British rule and/or occupation. The splitting of Ireland, the domination of Wales, the annexation of Scotland, the fight by the King of England to maintain domination in what later became the USA.
Jan 24th 2006, 7:05 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Do you by any chance read the Guardian ??
Jan 24th 2006, 7:10 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by User Name
Most days (some days the articles originate from its sister paper, the English Observer), but not to the extent I don't read other newspapers. I read newspapers published in Scotland, England and Wales, including the English Guardian newspaper.
Jan 24th 2006, 7:14 pm
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Re: Land of the Free ??
Originally Posted by BigDavyG
Do you by any chance read the Guardian ??
