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Old Dec 23rd 2020, 9:27 pm
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Nothing will change regarding legal immigration. The Democrats have made making illegal immgrants "more legal" their priority. At least the Republicans were willing to visit legal immigration and replace it with something more resembling the Aus system (points-based).

There is/was a bill to help the Indians stuck on H-1Bs forever but that will probably go nowhere as for one thing - it would be at the expense of non-Indian employment-based immigrants.
S386 just got approved in the senate though but as the bill is different to what was passed in the house it has to go back to the house blah blah

I find the context of that bill scary it seems from my limited scanning of it that within 7 years of its passing 95% of green cards would be going to Indians which imo is totally unfair!

Not sure what others take on it is?

To get idea how long things take am sure S386 was started under the Obama presidency!
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S 386 and it corresponding bill have died as they did not make inclusion in the omnibus bill. What happens in the future is a bit of a guess, they were passed on the nod and seems unlikely that will happen again.

If there is any sort of hearing in the future difficult to see it being passed so easily.
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Old Dec 25th 2020, 8:14 pm
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S 386 and it corresponding bill have died as they did not make inclusion in the omnibus bill. What happens in the future is a bit of a guess, they were passed on the nod and seems unlikely that will happen again.

If there is any sort of hearing in the future difficult to see it being passed so easily.
Are you sure a lot of immigration groups like Immigration Voice and other pro-Indian groups are highlighting the passing of S386 as the beginning of the end for the Indian backlog are they totally misguided?
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Are you sure a lot of immigration groups like Immigration Voice and other pro-Indian groups are highlighting the passing of S386 as the beginning of the end for the Indian backlog are they totally misguided?
There will still be a backlog if this is ever approved, just not so long, so yes. Anyway it has been kicked down the rod so we will see.

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Interesting stance but am curious how the system aids US interests especially the 7% limit per country for Employment based green cards. Only in the past 15 years has this shut out Indians and the rule was formulated in the 60s if I recall so am slightly curious how making this particular nationality wait forever helps them given the rule was created decades before.

Also the whole concept of family sponsorship seems pretty unique in the Western world. Being able to sponsor siblings and parents at will with no limits or caps beyond the numerical green card limits with no reference to their skills and qualifications or co-morbidities with parents etc how does that suit US interests??
As you say this dates from the 60s. It was in US interests because discrimination in immigration, freely admitting immigrants without any qualifications from North and West Europe while almost totally keeping out Asians was hurting the US propaganda-wise in the Cold War; promoting diversity (7% rule) and right of citizens to family unification helped the US project itself as leader of the free world.
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Old Dec 26th 2020, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by neill View Post
Nothing will change regarding legal immigration. The Democrats have made making illegal immgrants "more legal" their priority. At least the Republicans were willing to visit legal immigration and replace it with something more resembling the Aus system (points-based).

There is/was a bill to help the Indians stuck on H-1Bs forever but that will probably go nowhere as for one thing - it would be at the expense of non-Indian employment-based immigrants.
The idea of making it easier for lower-skilled immigrants to enter the country illegally considering trends in real wages for the working poor, and not having a points-based system for the best and brightest, represents the illogic of the American system.

However without control of the Senate there is a limit to what Biden and his group of Washington insiders can do.
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Old Dec 26th 2020, 9:39 pm
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If they win both seats and assuming the Repubs hold solid you can bet your bottom Dollar that every Dem Senator will be wondering what they can get for backing such legislation.
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Interesting stance but am curious how the system aids US interests especially the 7% limit per country for Employment based green cards. Only in the past 15 years has this shut out Indians and the rule was formulated in the 60s if I recall so am slightly curious how making this particular nationality wait forever helps them given the rule was created decades before.

Also the whole concept of family sponsorship seems pretty unique in the Western world. Being able to sponsor siblings and parents at will with no limits or caps beyond the numerical green card limits with no reference to their skills and qualifications or co-morbidities with parents etc how does that suit US interests??
As I understand it the view of the US on family immigration is that they have the underlying principle that they do not want to split families unnecessarily and forever, that's why the immediate relatives and siblings process was set up. Having said that the US sponsor is required to sign an affidavit to commit to financial support of the family member in the event that they are unable to support themselves. Also some of the wait times for siblings are huge like 10-12 years for siblings coming from the UK.
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I do wonder how Brexit may influence things. Given we supposedly have a 'special relationship' with the US it doesn't seem to actual show itself when immigration is concerned.
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I would not have thought it would make any difference. Can not think of any reason it would.
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I do wonder how Brexit may influence things. Given we supposedly have a 'special relationship' with the US it doesn't seem to actual show itself when immigration is concerned.
Given President-Elect Biden's Irish roots, I do not think that Great Britain will get any preferential treatment despite the "special" relationship. That said, now the UK also has a "special" relationship with the EU.
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What makes you think the 'special' relationship has ever had anything to do with immigration? It hasn't, It's only ever really been relevant in the context of a military and security alliance.

Which is why, as British military power has waned significantly, it's become irrelevant to the US.
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What makes you think the 'special' relationship has ever had anything to do with immigration? It hasn't, It's only ever really been relevant in the context of a military and security alliance.

Which is why, as British military power has waned significantly, it's become irrelevant to the US.
It may mean something in the form of a trade deal (e.g. Canada or Mexico TN visas). The future will tell.
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Old Jan 2nd 2021, 7:37 pm
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As you say this dates from the 60s. It was in US interests because discrimination in immigration, freely admitting immigrants without any qualifications from North and West Europe while almost totally keeping out Asians was hurting the US propaganda-wise in the Cold War; promoting diversity (7% rule) and right of citizens to family unification helped the US project itself as leader of the free world.
This is where I dont get it if they were going to streamline the system then in theory the H1b should also have limits of 7% per country then in theory the backlog shouldnt happen then why is basically India allowed to dominate the H1b holders rank. They file multiple petitions per person and a lot of these tech companies some Indian owned have very questionable strategies they game to ensure success in the H1b lottery.

I am lucky my job is essentially cap exempt for H1b sponsorship so am not competing with millions of Indians for one but system seems clunky at best!

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This is where I dont get it if they were going to streamline the system then in theory the H1b should also have limits of 7% per country then in theory the backlog shouldnt happen then why is basically India allowed to dominate the H1b holders rank. They file multiple petitions per person and a lot of these tech companies some Indian owned have very questionable strategies they game to ensure success in the H1b lottery.

I am lucky my job is essentially cap exempt for H1b sponsorship so am not competing with millions of Indians for one but system seems clunky at best!

Happy new year!
I am not sure if it is multiple filings per person, I think they have lot of people and if they want say 100 to move they will file for 500 of their eligible employees so they can be assured of getting the number they need and any extra is a bonus.

And of course the body shop companies, similar in that they can go for the big numbers knowing they can make their cut off those that are successful.

But would seem logical to have the cap limit on those applying.
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