I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Jul 5th 2006, 8:48 pm
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Mark Twain does a better job of summing it up than I ever could:
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when they deserve it."
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when they deserve it."
Jul 5th 2006, 8:54 pm
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by Elvira
Rush - I think I agree with just about everything in your post (there's a first!), but I think it is important to realise that many soldiers do not chose the military solely for patriotic reasons. The ranks of the US military especiually are full of the disadvantaged who joined up largely for two reasons: to get an education and/or training, or because they felt that their opportunities outside the military were very limited.
The military is not "full" of disadvantaged people who join up because their life outside the military would be limited.If you can join ,get paid, learn a trade and get a free education then why not ?? Far rather kids join up than sit around collecting benefits.
Jul 5th 2006, 10:51 pm
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by lolly
The USAF is very difficult to join these days not as easy to get in as you seem to think.
The military is not "full" of disadvantaged people who join up because their life outside the military would be limited.If you can join ,get paid, learn a trade and get a free education then why not ?? Far rather kids join up than sit around collecting benefits.
The military is not "full" of disadvantaged people who join up because their life outside the military would be limited.If you can join ,get paid, learn a trade and get a free education then why not ?? Far rather kids join up than sit around collecting benefits.
Jul 6th 2006, 12:07 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by Rompers
I'm pleased for you. I've found that the longer I live here, the more proud of Britain I feel (and I say that with no disrespect to the US).
Time away makes me realise how lucky I have been
Jul 6th 2006, 12:16 am
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Originally Posted by lolly
The military is not "full" of disadvantaged people who join up because their life outside the military would be limited.
Jul 6th 2006, 12:27 am
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
So the vast numbers of service people from 'poor' states like West Virginia must just be a coincidence then
"As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the ranks of the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic data show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks of going to war."
etc.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
Jul 6th 2006, 12:28 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by Elvira
"As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the ranks of the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic data show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks of going to war."
etc.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
etc.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
Jul 6th 2006, 12:38 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by Elvira
"As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the ranks of the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic data show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks of going to war."
etc.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
etc.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
Jul 6th 2006, 12:41 am
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Originally Posted by BigDavyG
I'm shocked elvira that someone has been able to dig up some credible evidence to back up my far-fetched theory
Jul 6th 2006, 12:58 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
All I wanted to do was say I am sorry for what I said the other week. I now see the other side of the argument on dual citizenship.
I'm out of this one, but feel free to crack on.
I'm out of this one, but feel free to crack on.
Jul 6th 2006, 1:02 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by Elvira
Well do you have a point to make or you're just in need of a sp4nking?
Jul 6th 2006, 1:07 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by Elvira
"As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the ranks of the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic data show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks of going to war."
etc.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
etc.:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110302528.html
Enough said....
Jul 6th 2006, 1:15 am
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Originally Posted by TonyBee
If you believe everything you read from a newspaper to be 100% fact then you must believe in fairy tales. These days what journalist write is not all true but an exaggeration of the truth. The cutbacks in the USAF are evidence that they are not just looking for any Tom, Dick or Harry to recruit. If you had any links to the US military at all rather than newspapers, then you would understand this fully. Anyone can cut and paste wordage from a newspaper and say it must be true. I served in the USAF for a long period of time and wasn't disadvantaged or from a poor state. I joined up by choice and made a successful career of it just like 1,000s of others I know.
Enough said....
Enough said....
Your argument is pretty poor mate - maybe stick to flying planes if I were you
Jul 6th 2006, 1:16 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by TonyBee
If you believe everything you read from a newspaper to be 100% fact then you must believe in fairy tales. These days what journalist write is not all true but an exaggeration of the truth. The cutbacks in the USAF are evidence that they are not just looking for any Tom, Dick or Harry to recruit. If you had any links to the US military at all rather than newspapers, then you would understand this fully. Anyone can cut and paste wordage from a newspaper and say it must be true. I served in the USAF for a long period of time and wasn't disadvantaged or from a poor state. I joined up by choice and made a successful career of it just like 1,000s of others I know.
Enough said....
Enough said....
Jul 6th 2006, 1:19 am
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Re: I'm sorry. Humble pie on offer.
Originally Posted by TonyBee
If you believe everything you read from a newspaper to be 100% fact then you must believe in fairy tales. These days what journalist write is not all true but an exaggeration of the truth. The cutbacks in the USAF are evidence that they are not just looking for any Tom, Dick or Harry to recruit. If you had any links to the US military at all rather than newspapers, then you would understand this fully. Anyone can cut and paste wordage from a newspaper and say it must be true. I served in the USAF for a long period of time and wasn't disadvantaged or from a poor state. I joined up by choice and made a successful career of it just like 1,000s of others I know.
Enough said....
Enough said....
Oh and the USAF cutbacks are not evidence of recruitment standards, they are evidence that all the money has been spent on Iraq and replacing obsolete aircraft so there's bugger all left for people.