Hollywood Accused Of Distorting British History
Found this interesting article online, and am curious to see what other
Brits living stateside think of it. LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood film studios are guilty of a "grotesque distortion of history" which is destroying Britain's national identity, a newspaper on Sunday quoted British historians as saying. The chief executive of English Heritage, the government body responsible for the historic environment, told the Independent on Sunday film-makers' "sloppy" and "formulaic" approach to history had left a generation of children confused. "One of my principal concerns is that the majority of children now leave school with the sketchiest of chronology about English history," Simon Thurley said, adding that they turned to films for knowledge. Antony Beevor, Britain's best-selling author of popular history, told the newspaper the Americanization of British history was a particular problem. "You can't turn every hero in the world into an American," he said. The historians singled out "Saving Private Ryan," based on the Normandy World War II landings, "U-571" about submariners, and "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" as prime offenders. In "Saving Private Ryan" all mention of British or Allied troops was omitted, while the British submariners at the heart of the real action were replaced by Americans in the film "U-571." "Robin Hood" was accused of distorting of Britain's medieval past. Beevor described the trend as "shameless and totally irresponsible -- a grotesque distortion of history." Classical historian Bettany Hughes said it was not just British history that had been misrepresented. "Hollywood has committed some terrible crimes against history," she said, describing the Hollywood epic "Troy" as a "travesty of mismatched cultural references." "Dead heroes in Greco- Roman dress were cremated with coins on their eyes -- before money had been invented," she said. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Your talking about a country whos president lies to go war so of course
Hollywood is going to lie! The really worrying thing about this is that we let them, King Arthur is about as close to the legend as the remake of Italian job to the original Apparently, the story of Billy Fisk is not going to be an "how one american won the battle of britain" but a plain telling of the story of Billy Fik (a rich american who won an olympic medal then joined the RAF at the out break of WWII and flew hundreds of combat missions before dying from burns sustained in crash landing. The downside is Billy Fisk is being played by Tom Cruise. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Hollywood has been warping history for over 100 years. That's because
Hollywood is in the entertainment business, not the education business. I shudder to think that people actually believe the things they see on the screen. Oh yeah, that goes for Michael Moore, too. Heh-heh. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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EVERY Hollywood Studio starts off their screen-writing process by hiring
on a EXPERT in that era, or period of critical history. That person works with the screenwriter to write up the script. These experts are well-renowned and quite respectable in their field. They can come from far away as Britain or Italy. The consultant is hired to retain "accuracy" in certain aspects of the film. The producer/screen-writer match that with embellishments required to add "entertainment" value to the picture. If these so-called "experts" who are whining so much in that article, really were "experts" -- why were they not hired in various Hollywood movies??? I work here in Hollywood and never heard of these guys. If you want historic accuracy -- go watch A&E documentaries. If you want exciting visual "depictions" of history, filmed with heroics, love and awe-inspiring cinematic excellence -- watch Hollywood films. btw: I hope they know that sometimes *their* belief of how "history" went down -- sometimes conflicts with OTHER experts in the field's view of history. I wonder why they didn't mention that little fact. Who made them God to become the foremost authority of EVERYTHING British in history??? Are they history professors, or just guys wanting to get "hired" and make money by whining in the press??? I think the latter. The hidden agenda is oozing in that article. -= nav =- -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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experts my arse, it's all about putting bums on seats.
Even the Scottish thought that Braveheart was pants. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Originally posted by dgsyd1
> Found this interesting article online, and am curious to see what other Brits living stateside think of it. > > LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood film studios are guilty of a "grotesque distortion of history" which is destroying Britain's national identity, a newspaper on Sunday quoted British historians as saying. > The chief executive of English Heritage, the government body responsible for the historic environment, told the Independent on Sunday film-makers' "sloppy" and "formulaic" approach to history had left a generation of children confused. > > "One of my principal concerns is that the majority of children now leave school with the sketchiest of chronology about English history," Simon Thurley said, adding that they turned to films for knowledge. > > Antony Beevor, Britain's best- selling author of popular history, told the newspaper the Americanization of British history was a particular problem. > > "You can't turn every hero in the world into an American," he said. > > The historians singled out "Saving Private Ryan," based on the Normandy World War II landings, "U-571" about submariners, and "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" as prime offenders. > > In "Saving Private Ryan" all mention of British or Allied troops was omitted, while the British submariners at the heart of the real action were replaced by Americans in the film "U-571." > > "Robin Hood" was accused of distorting of Britain's medieval past. > > Beevor described the trend as "shameless and totally irresponsible -- a grotesque distortion of history." > Classical historian Bettany Hughes said it was not just British history that had been misrepresented. > > "Hollywood has committed some terrible crimes against history," she said, describing the Hollywood epic "Troy" as a "travesty of mismatched cultural references." > "Dead heroes in Greco-Roman dress were cremated with coins on their eyes -- before money had been invented," she said. How can anyone be astonished by this? Hollywood has been doing this for dacades. -- Aluminium pronouced the American way. Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Originally posted by supernav
> EVERY Hollywood Studio starts off their screen-writing process by hiring on a EXPERT in that era, or period of critical history. > > That person works with the screenwriter to write up the script. These experts are well-renowned and quite respectable in their field. They can come from far away as Britain or Italy. > > The consultant is hired to retain "accuracy" in certain aspects of the film. The producer/screen-writer match that with embellishments required to add "entertainment" value to the picture. > If these so-called "experts" who are whining so much in that article, really were "experts" -- why were they not hired in various Hollywood movies??? I work here in Hollywood and never heard of these guys. > If you want historic accuracy -- go watch A&E documentaries. If you want exciting visual "depictions" of history, filmed with heroics, love and awe-inspiring cinematic excellence -- watch Hollywood films. > btw: I hope they know that sometimes *their* belief of how "history" went down -- sometimes conflicts with OTHER experts in the field's view of history. I wonder why they didn't mention that little fact. Who made them God to become the foremost authority of EVERYTHING British in history??? Are they history professors, or just guys wanting to get "hired" and make money by whining in the press??? > > I think the latter. The hidden agenda is oozing in that article. > > -= nav =- Nav, I think you're missing the point here, the problem is not 'mistakes' creeping in, it is the wholesale rewriting of history. I think we can all agree that there were British, Canadian, Polish etc troops involved at Normandy, as well as Americans (Saving Private Ryan), and that U-571 actually involved the British Navy rather than the US - there is no esoteric disagreement between rival 'experts' here. Think about it this way - how would most Americans feel about a remake of the Alamo that featured the heroic British Grenadiers coming to the rescue and routing Santa Anna??? Cheers, Pat -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Originally posted by superpat
> > Think about it this way - how would most Americans feel about a remake of the Alamo that featured the heroic British Grenadiers coming to the rescue and routing Santa Anna??? > > Cheers, > > Pat Since many of Santa Ana's soldiers were Irish rather than Mexican, it could put a whole new light on it. ;) -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
Re: Hollywood Accused Of Distorting British History
Originally posted by dgsyd1
> Found this interesting article online, and am curious to see what other Brits living stateside think of it. > > LONDON (Reuters) - Hollywood film studios are guilty of a "grotesque distortion of history" which is destroying Britain's national identity, a newspaper on Sunday quoted British historians as saying. > The chief executive of English Heritage, the government body responsible for the historic environment, told the Independent on Sunday film-makers' "sloppy" and "formulaic" approach to history had left a generation of children confused. > > "One of my principal concerns is that the majority of children now leave school with the sketchiest of chronology about English history," Simon Thurley said, adding that they turned to films for knowledge. > > Antony Beevor, Britain's best- selling author of popular history, told the newspaper the Americanization of British history was a particular problem. > > "You can't turn every hero in the world into an American," he said. > > The historians singled out "Saving Private Ryan," based on the Normandy World War II landings, "U-571" about submariners, and "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" as prime offenders. > > In "Saving Private Ryan" all mention of British or Allied troops was omitted, while the British submariners at the heart of the real action were replaced by Americans in the film "U-571." > > "Robin Hood" was accused of distorting of Britain's medieval past. > > Beevor described the trend as "shameless and totally irresponsible -- a grotesque distortion of history." > Classical historian Bettany Hughes said it was not just British history that had been misrepresented. > > "Hollywood has committed some terrible crimes against history," she said, describing the Hollywood epic "Troy" as a "travesty of mismatched cultural references." > "Dead heroes in Greco-Roman dress were cremated with coins on their eyes -- before money had been invented," she said. Why does Hollywood give most of the baddies an English accent, even in cartoons? What are they trying to prove? I read an article about how Hollywood completely changed the facts in a film called Enigma, which was about breaking codes used by the Germans I think. It was a totally British operation in WW2 but Hollywood twisted it round so that all the credit and glory was given to the Americans. Do they really think the British are stupid or what? -- Lothianlad Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Originally posted by Lothianlad
> Why does Hollywood give most of the baddies an English accent, even in cartoons? What are they trying to prove? > > I read an article about how Hollywood completely changed the facts in a film called Enigma, which was about breaking codes used by the Germans I think. It was a totally British operation in WW2 but Hollywood twisted it round so that all the credit and glory was given to the Americans. Do they really think the British are stupid or what? Hey, I live near Nottingham and honestly everyone there does sound like Kevin Costner, he got that Nottingham twang down exactly. What a great actor -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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So 2 things are clear:-
1)Historians can double up as staters of the bleedin obvious,although they're a little slow on the uptake if they've just realised.... 2) the UK school system must doing a crap job of teaching history if kids default to hollywood to gain knowledge!! -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Originally posted by supernav
> EVERY Hollywood Studio starts off their screen-writing process by hiring on a EXPERT in that era, or period of critical history. > > That person works with the screenwriter to write up the script. These experts are well-renowned and quite respectable in their field. They can come from far away as Britain or Italy. > > The consultant is hired to retain "accuracy" in certain aspects of the film. The producer/screen-writer match that with embellishments required to add "entertainment" value to the picture. > <<snip>> > > -= nav =- I don't doubt what nav says is true (makes a change, heh? :) ) but then the studio bosses intervene and determine if Americans will go and see such a film. Why is this so very important? Answer- the US is the world's biggest film audience so film makers must pander, sorry, market, to that audience, with little consideration for other markets and also historical accuracy. Plus, the public should always bear in mind that anything seen in the cinema is questionable as being accurate 'cos most of what is seen in cinemas (especially multiplexes) are essentially "entertainment" so to speak. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Originally posted by supernav
> <<snip>> > > If these so-called "experts" who are whining so much in that article, really were "experts" -- why were they not hired in various Hollywood movies??? I work here in Hollywood and never heard of these guys. > > If you want historic accuracy -- go watch A&E documentaries. If you want exciting visual "depictions" of history, filmed with heroics, love and awe- inspiring cinematic excellence -- watch Hollywood films. > > <<snip>> > -= nav =- The historical experts may well deliberately distance themselves from Hollywood made "historical" dramas because they fail to retain the facts. Otherwise, the expert will lose credibility in his/her profession. Also, it's not uncommon for authors and screenwriters to ask for their name(s) to be removed from the credits for similar reasons. i.e. their work has been distorted at the editing stage or bears little resemblence to their contribution and they don't want to be associated with the finished product. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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I'm not surprised that Hollywood types re-write history to their own
agenda. Remember America fought WW2 all on their own, without any help from the allies. LOL. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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Originally posted by manc1976
> experts my arse, it's all about putting bums on seats. > > Even the Scottish thought that Braveheart was pants. "G'day Y'all can take our lives but you cant take our freedom, Have a nice day now, and through some shrimps on the barbie and spark a tinnie" This was true Scottish-American- OZ(filmed in Ireland) acting at it's greatest. I also thought that America defeated Hitler on their own, I must stop watching them there war films. :) It is all about money! -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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