Hi I am new here.
Jun 2nd 2007, 7:16 am
#76
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Re: Hi I am new here.
inch yards.
Jun 2nd 2007, 9:52 am
#79
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I see this thrown around a lot here, the Patriot Act seems to be very frigtening to people here. In the final analysis, though, how have people's rights been unduly infringed by the Patriot Act? Have your rights been personally infringed upon? How about anyone you know? Can you cite an example of privacy or civil rights abuse allowed under the specific provisions in the Patriot Act? Crucially, how do these purported infringements compare to having about 13 million illegal cameras photographing each private citizen on average 300 times a day? How about how they compare to rights abuses in any other country?
Sorry, I could probably be ignorant about all of this, but the Patriot Act, in and of itself, doesn't seem all that terrible.
Sorry, I could probably be ignorant about all of this, but the Patriot Act, in and of itself, doesn't seem all that terrible.
Jun 4th 2007, 7:58 am
#80
Diamond Geezer
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Re: Hi I am new here.
I see this thrown around a lot here, the Patriot Act seems to be very frigtening to people here. In the final analysis, though, how have people's rights been unduly infringed by the Patriot Act? Have your rights been personally infringed upon? How about anyone you know? Can you cite an example of privacy or civil rights abuse allowed under the specific provisions in the Patriot Act? Crucially, how do these purported infringements compare to having about 13 million illegal cameras photographing each private citizen on average 300 times a day? How about how they compare to rights abuses in any other country?
Sorry, I could probably be ignorant about all of this, but the Patriot Act, in and of itself, doesn't seem all that terrible.
Sorry, I could probably be ignorant about all of this, but the Patriot Act, in and of itself, doesn't seem all that terrible.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...04toystore.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/court_us...ombatants.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/terroris...t_area_51.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/secret_s...s_students.htm
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...110410819.html
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3422-5163r.htm
http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/target_patriots.htm
http://www.unknownnews.net/030929dead.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...artbecomes.htm
And you can call me paranoid, but laws such as this never go away, and they never diminish. At best, they can be ignored by common-sense individuals who know the difference between terrorism and setting a bin on fire that happened to be next to a federal building.
At worst, they can be ignored by the Presidential Administration. For example, the USA PATRIOT Act:
permits “roving” surveillance (court orders omitting the identification of
the particular instrument, facilities, or place where the surveillance is to
occur when the court finds the target is likely to thwart identification with
particularity);
increases the number of judges on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act (FISA) court from 7 to 11;
allows application for a FISA surveillance or search order when
gathering foreign intelligence is a significant reason for the application
rather than the reason;
authorizes pen register and trap & trace device orders for e-mail as well
as telephone conversations;
sanctions court ordered access to any tangible item rather than only
business records held by lodging, car rental, and locker rental businesses;
carries a sunset provision;
establishes a claim against the U.S. for certain communications privacy
violations by government personnel; and
expands the prohibition against FISA orders based solely on an
American’s exercise of his or her First Amendment rights.
The current administration has shown that the FISA court, no matter how many people are on it, can be easily by-passed by presidential fiat, even if you have to obtain the signature of a drugged up Attorney General to get approval to continue to do so.the particular instrument, facilities, or place where the surveillance is to
occur when the court finds the target is likely to thwart identification with
particularity);
increases the number of judges on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act (FISA) court from 7 to 11;
allows application for a FISA surveillance or search order when
gathering foreign intelligence is a significant reason for the application
rather than the reason;
authorizes pen register and trap & trace device orders for e-mail as well
as telephone conversations;
sanctions court ordered access to any tangible item rather than only
business records held by lodging, car rental, and locker rental businesses;
carries a sunset provision;
establishes a claim against the U.S. for certain communications privacy
violations by government personnel; and
expands the prohibition against FISA orders based solely on an
American’s exercise of his or her First Amendment rights.
But all this is... Well this is really for TIO, not here. I don't live in the UK. I don't much care for it anymore as it stands today. But I could explain away the loss of civil liberties in the UK quite quickly by claiming we didn't really have many to begin with. As for many other countries all around the world... Well, if America isn't supposed to have greater freedoms than all those countries, then it shouldn't be claiming that freedom is its greatest export, should it?
Jun 4th 2007, 8:23 am
#81
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. But I could explain away the loss of civil liberties in the UK quite quickly by claiming we didn't really have many to begin with
Can you expand on this? Out of interest.
Jun 4th 2007, 9:36 am
#83
Diamond Geezer
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Well, for a start, the general public of most of the UK didn't have any rights at all until 1215. Thus my statement, we didn't have many rights to begin with.
Jun 4th 2007, 10:00 am
#86
Sursum corda
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Jun 4th 2007, 10:58 am
#87
who turned out the light?
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Snowbunnys idea for Canada sounds more likely for you..but have no idea how hard it is to get in there.
If you didn't like the political climate in the UK and the reason was the Labour govt and you would be more on the centre/right.
Then you might have got on better here as the 2 main difference to the Countries to me are - US is more conservative and right-wing in their politics even the Democrats are more right than Labour.
And religion..especially if you live in the mid'west or the Southern States..Religion is prevalent everywhere and coming from the UK..this seems one area that people are surprised at/don't like.
So for anybody coming/wanting to live here. I'd say if you can't live with Religion being so prevalent or more right-wing Capitalist politics/thinking then don't even think about it!
Though all states aren't like that, I live in WA state..nowhere near as religious or right-wing in thinking.
And San-Francisco well lets just say none of that applies
There are many other factors including healthcare, but those 2 or 3 are huge and should be thought about before moving here.
Jun 4th 2007, 11:09 am
#88
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Hello all.
About me:
My name is Harris I am a 21 year old male living in Lancashire with my partner who is a recently qualified midwife. I will be studying for a BSc Hons degree in Arboriculture [Tree surgery for the layman] this year which consists of 1 year Academic study, 1 subsequent year of work placement anywhere in the world [wink wink] and then 2 final years study back at University.
I have felt a genuine compelling urge to leave the UK for pastures new for at least 4 years now and for a million and one different reasons. People around me tell me to move to AUS or NZ but recently I started to think more and more about the US. I do not like the political climate in the UK and want to get out. Cost of living is another important push factor for me, at the moment I cannot see myself getting a house of my own udner a mortgage before I am 28, my partner cannot find work in the NHS anywhere reasonable due to the ongoing "midwifery crisis et al" and basically we both feel a bit cheesed off with how the country treats us and take the attitude that we will go somewhere we we can make something of ourselves where the opportunities exist.
Am I suffering from "The grass is greener on the US side!" mindset here or does this kind of rationale sound similar to what any of you went through?
My theoretical plan is for me to spend a year working in the US for my second year of my degree whilst my Partner stays in the UK and tries to land a job in the NHS somewhere suitable for experience. We both planned to get into fields of work which we both enjoyed [naturally] but that ones that also allowed a lot of freedom of movement. Tree surgery and midwifery I think are pretty good mobile skill sets, as far as my understanding goes an Hons BSc in Arboriculture is fairly rare in the industry, and at any rate lands me in an upper middle management situation// expert witness level immediately so I am hoping I will qualify for the skilled immigrant visa section.
I am looking for some people's experiences with moving to and living in the US and what they love/hate about the country.
Many thanks.
About me:
My name is Harris I am a 21 year old male living in Lancashire with my partner who is a recently qualified midwife. I will be studying for a BSc Hons degree in Arboriculture [Tree surgery for the layman] this year which consists of 1 year Academic study, 1 subsequent year of work placement anywhere in the world [wink wink] and then 2 final years study back at University.
I have felt a genuine compelling urge to leave the UK for pastures new for at least 4 years now and for a million and one different reasons. People around me tell me to move to AUS or NZ but recently I started to think more and more about the US. I do not like the political climate in the UK and want to get out. Cost of living is another important push factor for me, at the moment I cannot see myself getting a house of my own udner a mortgage before I am 28, my partner cannot find work in the NHS anywhere reasonable due to the ongoing "midwifery crisis et al" and basically we both feel a bit cheesed off with how the country treats us and take the attitude that we will go somewhere we we can make something of ourselves where the opportunities exist.
Am I suffering from "The grass is greener on the US side!" mindset here or does this kind of rationale sound similar to what any of you went through?
My theoretical plan is for me to spend a year working in the US for my second year of my degree whilst my Partner stays in the UK and tries to land a job in the NHS somewhere suitable for experience. We both planned to get into fields of work which we both enjoyed [naturally] but that ones that also allowed a lot of freedom of movement. Tree surgery and midwifery I think are pretty good mobile skill sets, as far as my understanding goes an Hons BSc in Arboriculture is fairly rare in the industry, and at any rate lands me in an upper middle management situation// expert witness level immediately so I am hoping I will qualify for the skilled immigrant visa section.
I am looking for some people's experiences with moving to and living in the US and what they love/hate about the country.
Many thanks.
Jun 4th 2007, 1:57 pm
#89
British New Yorker
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Re: Hi I am new here.
Azure, NYC is a great place to be young in!!! If your partner wants to come, health care is the easiest way in of all. There are tons of young Brits in Manhattan and all seem to love it and are very happy.
Jun 4th 2007, 3:22 pm
#90
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Re: Hi I am new here.
only for registered general nurses....not midwifes alone...
