The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Mar 24th 2010, 3:42 pm
#226
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
The bulk of the paying is on those that earn more than $200k.
Personally, I'll happily pay more if it means we don't have 45m uninsured, inability to pay health care bills isn't the leading cause of personal bankruptcy, and I don't have to live in fear of being uninsurable if I lose my job, as I do at present.
Oh, another significant middle class benefit is the removal of the prescription "doughnut hole" from Medicare.
Personally, I'll happily pay more if it means we don't have 45m uninsured, inability to pay health care bills isn't the leading cause of personal bankruptcy, and I don't have to live in fear of being uninsurable if I lose my job, as I do at present.
Oh, another significant middle class benefit is the removal of the prescription "doughnut hole" from Medicare.
Giantaxe, I'm being serious, how much more would you pay? Would you happily pay 75% of your gross income? I'm just wondering at what point you would begin to wonder if it was worth it.
Another question to the experts. To me those new benefits seem as though they would put quite a burden on ins. companies. Yet I have been reading that their stock rose after the vote and that they were actually in on designing the deal itself. Those two things don't seem to mesh. What's the truth?
Mar 24th 2010, 3:44 pm
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Mar 24th 2010, 3:46 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Someone had to start somewhere and I can only hope that this is a building block to better things to come. My vote will be cast to the person who is trying to make a change and not stalemating things in the next election.
Mar 24th 2010, 3:47 pm
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Mar 24th 2010, 3:49 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Another question to the experts. To me those new benefits seem as though they would put quite a burden on ins. companies. Yet I have been reading that their stock rose after the vote and that they were actually in on designing the deal itself. Those two things don't seem to mesh. What's the truth?
Mar 24th 2010, 3:51 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
LMAO. For Christs sakes, nothing like taking something out of context and making it look bad. Typical right wing bullshit. They have no intention of showing the rest of the quote made by a aged individual who was clearly stumbling on his words and even said there were 300 people in the U.S.
I read his "clarification" and it's a stretch. Weak-sauce.
Mar 24th 2010, 3:51 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Mar 24th 2010, 3:52 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Another question to the experts. To me those new benefits seem as though they would put quite a burden on ins. companies. Yet I have been reading that their stock rose after the vote and that they were actually in on designing the deal itself. Those two things don't seem to mesh. What's the truth?
The difference will be paid as a "government subsidy". Basically, they've adjusted their business model to include rent-seeking funded by the taxpayer.
Mar 24th 2010, 3:57 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
See my earlier post about how it's going to be illegal not to buy their products and they'll be allowed to increase the price.
The difference will be paid as a "government subsidy". Basically, they've adjusted their business model to include rent-seeking funded by the taxpayer.
The difference will be paid as a "government subsidy". Basically, they've adjusted their business model to include rent-seeking funded by the taxpayer.
And this is how freedom dies.
Mar 24th 2010, 4:06 pm
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Mar 24th 2010, 4:08 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Aw, come on, it's not as bad as all that. If you don't like America you're free to leave!
Mar 24th 2010, 4:08 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!
Look at the bigger picture.
It is a bit misleading to call it Insurance because all the basic principals of Insurance do not apply.
It is sort of like privatised taxation. The Yanks are good at inventing words so now doubt they will come up with something.
From the 'Insurer' perspective it is all about margins, who pays the premium etc does not really matter. The more people in the scheme the more money flowing through the better the margin produces.
The Government does not pay for anything, the people who pay the taxes do. If they get more money directly from premiums and indirectly from taxes that is all well and good.
Premiums were I am are regulated by the State, all you have to do to increase the premium is justify the increase. Lots of unhealthy people in your pool and wider cover is an easy justification.
They do not pay their lobbyists for nothing.
It is a bit misleading to call it Insurance because all the basic principals of Insurance do not apply.
It is sort of like privatised taxation. The Yanks are good at inventing words so now doubt they will come up with something.
From the 'Insurer' perspective it is all about margins, who pays the premium etc does not really matter. The more people in the scheme the more money flowing through the better the margin produces.
The Government does not pay for anything, the people who pay the taxes do. If they get more money directly from premiums and indirectly from taxes that is all well and good.
Premiums were I am are regulated by the State, all you have to do to increase the premium is justify the increase. Lots of unhealthy people in your pool and wider cover is an easy justification.
They do not pay their lobbyists for nothing.
Mar 24th 2010, 4:08 pm
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Re: The health care bill is past by just 7 votes!