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Old Mar 27th 2010, 4:31 am
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Originally Posted by Seahorse3
A sad day for the United States. The true beginning of the end unless we get these Liberal socalists out of power. Oh, am I in the wrong forum?
You're in the wrong species.
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Old Mar 27th 2010, 4:45 am
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Originally Posted by dakota44
You're in the wrong species.
That smiley isn't necessary...
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Old Mar 27th 2010, 4:47 am
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That smiley isn't necessary...
True enough.
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Old Mar 27th 2010, 12:22 pm
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I found this information about the healthcare bill. I thought I would share.
http://pol.moveon.org/healthcare/tenthings/?rc=fb.2
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Old Mar 27th 2010, 1:58 pm
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I found this information about the healthcare bill. I thought I would share.
http://pol.moveon.org/healthcare/tenthings/?rc=fb.2
Although the information from web sites such as moveon.org, huffington post, hetitage foundation, tea party express, or americans for prosperity may be accurate, I would try not to post links from those sites and instead try to find other sources. They are either left wing or right wing organizations and therefore they tend to be treated as tainted by the other side.
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Originally Posted by Michael
Although the information from web sites such as moveon.org, huffington post, hetitage foundation, tea party express, or americans for prosperity may be accurate, I would try not to post links from those sites and instead try to find other sources. They are either left wing or right wing organizations and therefore they tend to be treated as tainted by the other side.
Good call. Of course the sad thing is they're all tainted, regardless of "side".
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If you quote Move On etc you are basically conceding the argument.
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Originally Posted by chartreuse
Good call. Of course the sad thing is they're all tainted, regardless of "side".
True! It's sad that we can't seem to get the truth. It's all tainted. I haven't read much on the details of the bill and how it will affect normal people. That information is hard to find.
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You're in the wrong species.
Fortunately, a majority of Americans are in the "wrong species" catagory. Only time will tell.
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Fortunately, a majority of Americans are in the "wrong species" catagory. Only time will tell.
Are they? I see clear majorities to fix many of the things that this bill is fixing. While opinion on the bill is slightly weighted against it, I suspect that may change once it comes into force and see that the US hasn't become a Bolshevik state with death panels, and that reining in the insurance companies practices is a flippin' good and long overdue idea.
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Fortunately, a majority of Americans are in the "wrong species" catagory. Only time will tell.
The majority of voting Americans elected the government that passed the bill that you believe is the beginning of the end.
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Are they? I see clear majorities to fix many of the things that this bill is fixing. While opinion on the bill is slightly weighted against it, I suspect that may change once it comes into force and see that the US hasn't become a Bolshevik state with death panels, and that reining in the insurance companies practices is a flippin' good and long overdue idea.
Actually the Gallup and USA Today polls have already turned in favor of the bill 49%-40% and all the others have gained in support.
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Actually the Gallup and USA Today polls have already turned in favor of the bill 49%-40% and all the others have gained in support.
Beat me to it.
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Old Mar 27th 2010, 7:14 pm
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Look what I've found posted on another forum...

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
None of it in context of course...
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Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

This one should make all those retired Brits in Florida happy.
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