Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Jan 9th 2019, 7:04 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Also the NHS exists to provide "just enough" services for residents of the UK (of course it is debatable whether they achieve that modest goal), so they actually have a vested interest in discouraging healthcare tourists, at least under the NHS's current business model/terms of reference. .... Maybe post-Brexit there is money to be made by UK PLC offering NHS services "for profit" to visitors from overseas? 
Jan 9th 2019, 9:34 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
I think I like the new Pulaski but do have to admit it's freaking me out slightly.
Jan 9th 2019, 9:40 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Pulaski and I have agreed to switch. He's going to be nice and I'm going to pick all the fights for a while 
Jan 9th 2019, 9:40 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Now that you mention it, I think I've heard about that, but there is clearly a Chinese wall between it and the NHS services, as any hint of NHS resources being syphoned off to serve the private patients would create a firestorm of political protests.
Jan 9th 2019, 9:50 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Happens the other way though...
https://www.covermagazine.co.uk/cove...vate-hospitals
(I haven't looked too deeply...)
https://www.covermagazine.co.uk/cove...vate-hospitals
(I haven't looked too deeply...)
Jan 9th 2019, 10:04 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Happens the other way though...
https://www.covermagazine.co.uk/cove...vate-hospitals
(I haven't looked too deeply...)
https://www.covermagazine.co.uk/cove...vate-hospitals
(I haven't looked too deeply...)
Jan 10th 2019, 12:16 am
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Sure, but that doesn't matter.
My son is a UK national, but he (me) most certainly is paying international student fees at his UK uni, and cannot get any UK financial support, because he was not ordinarily resident in the UK for three years prior to starting uni. Same thing applies, I believe.
My son is a UK national, but he (me) most certainly is paying international student fees at his UK uni, and cannot get any UK financial support, because he was not ordinarily resident in the UK for three years prior to starting uni. Same thing applies, I believe.
Types of NHS fraud
Fraud against the NHS takes many forms; here are just a few examples:
Fraud against the NHS takes many forms; here are just a few examples:
- False claims - This can range from patients claiming for free treatment when they are not entitled to it,
Jan 10th 2019, 2:52 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Ordinarily Resident means, broadly, living in the UK on a lawful, voluntary and properly settled basis for the time being. I've always assumed, for British Citizens, that means you can step of the plane and say (to yourself) "Hmm I think I'll settle here and live here for the time being." At any time in the future, you can change your mind and leave.
Jan 10th 2019, 3:02 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
I've always assumed, for British Citizens, that means you can step of the plane and say (to yourself) "Hmm I think I'll settle here and live here for the time being."
Ordinarily resident should, IMO, be taken to mean what it means. You have a fixed abode there in which you normally live, or you at least genuinely intend to establish one in the near future.
Jan 10th 2019, 3:18 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
And that is pretty much word-for-word what it Ordinarily Resident means.
https://www.datadictionary.nhs.uk/da....asp?shownav=1
I've always assumed, for British Citizens, that means you can step of the plane and say (to yourself) "Hmm I think I'll settle here and live here for the time being." At any time in the future, you can change your mind and leave.
As a British Citizen/national, you can step off the plane in the UK and decide you want to settle here, as can (currently) any other EU national, and we can do the same in their countries. But it doesn't make anyone of those UK or EU nationals 'Ordinarily Resident', only living in the UK for a period of time does that, and how long that period is depends on individual circumstances.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...olicy-guidance
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Jan 10th 2019, 3:24 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
That's the problem with the concept of 'ordinarily resident', there's no definition of what that actually means, just a set of guidelines.
For anyone interested in delving into the subject more deeply, this NHS Business Definitions document has some interesting information/links https://www.datadictionary.nhs.uk/da....asp?shownav=1
For anyone interested in delving into the subject more deeply, this NHS Business Definitions document has some interesting information/links https://www.datadictionary.nhs.uk/da....asp?shownav=1
Jan 10th 2019, 3:27 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
Hasn't this thread graduated to Trailer Park yet?
Jan 10th 2019, 3:30 pm
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Re: Going Back to the UK to Have a Baby?
That's the problem with the concept of 'ordinarily resident', there's no definition of what that actually means, just a set of guidelines.
For anyone interested in delving into the subject more deeply, this NHS Business Definitions document has some interesting information/links https://www.datadictionary.nhs.uk/da....asp?shownav=1
For anyone interested in delving into the subject more deeply, this NHS Business Definitions document has some interesting information/links https://www.datadictionary.nhs.uk/da....asp?shownav=1
The NHS guidance (from https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-enti...t-health-guide ) is:
For secondary care services, the UK’s healthcare system is a residence-based one, which means entitlement to free healthcare is based on living lawfully in the UK on a properly settled basis for the time being.
The measure of residence that the UK uses to determine entitlement to free NHS healthcare is known as ‘ordinary residence’. This requires non-EEAnationals subject to immigration control to also have the immigration status of indefinite leave to remain.
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