forms..form and color
May 16th 2001, 10:23 pm
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Having just filed a 129F, now I read that it should have been printed in pink? And in the future I should be alert to the IRS form that should be printed in yellow? And also I see that some of the downloaded forms are not EXACT replicas of the INS forms sent out to prospectives. I'm culpable of
1. A WHITE 129F
2. a NON-exact downloaded replica of INS 325A :guilty on 8 counts
mia culpa!!! now what??? should I resubmit before I get a RFE? I filed thru Texas, so I have time to get it there before probably anyone even reads it.
three questions then arise.
1---Has anyone here in fact gotten a RFE as the form was Unpink?
2---Anybody found guilty of NON exact forms?
3---If this infact is punishable by RFE...should I remedy BEFORE getting or just sit around fingers crossed hoping the someone who reads our visa application is wearing rose colored glasses?
1. A WHITE 129F
2. a NON-exact downloaded replica of INS 325A :guilty on 8 counts
mia culpa!!! now what??? should I resubmit before I get a RFE? I filed thru Texas, so I have time to get it there before probably anyone even reads it.
three questions then arise.
1---Has anyone here in fact gotten a RFE as the form was Unpink?
2---Anybody found guilty of NON exact forms?
3---If this infact is punishable by RFE...should I remedy BEFORE getting or just sit around fingers crossed hoping the someone who reads our visa application is wearing rose colored glasses?
May 17th 2001, 2:42 am
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I doubt the color matters, I was sent an outdated when I order the forms from on line, I would go to the ins website and check the dates on the forms and make sure they are with in the dates, If you down loaded them from the website I wouldn't worry about it.
May 17th 2001, 4:31 pm
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As suggested, I did go to the INS Law Data Base http://149.101.23.2/cgi-bin/folioisa.dll/lawbooks.nfo/query=[jump!3A!278cfrsec2994!27]/doc/{@26948}?
Well it is surely apparent that my forms fail, surely, not just maybe, SURELY!
Here is some of what the INS law site says: "Black ink that won't fade or feather within 20 years" ***Because this is how long it may take for them to read it ????***
"arrangement, style, style of type must be exact" ***I take style of type to be font? Well the downloaded form DID have different fonts in some places***
"wording and punctuation of data elements and identifying information must match exactly" ***I am figuring that the fonts changes and puntuation differences I see on Jonothons and Chengs downloaded forms are NOT the "data and identifying places"???***
***There are some comments about that 4 page 325A that comes in carbon form also..the ruling is*** "maybe printed as single sheets PROVIDED the DESTINATION of carbon copy is CLEARLY identified at bottom" Now i must say that J&C downloads did give me 4 copies AND they had destinations at bottom, but I have heard that people made copies of the first 2 pages and used as the 3 and 4 pages. MY problem was that as my fiance (in India downloaded these pages the words rantogetherlikethis....foolishly we sent these...this may be the death blow to our initial application???
Oh, and yes, there is mention of the color too "private entities MUST reproduce forms on the SAME color paper"
Thanks belatedly for this information. I am at fault, I now see it included on the web site. So now I'm reduced to waiting for my RFE?????? Or should I as private entity remail with explaination that some of the forms may be inaccurate and to accept the new ones???
[Edited by tara on May 17th 2001 at 4:07pm]
Well it is surely apparent that my forms fail, surely, not just maybe, SURELY!
Here is some of what the INS law site says: "Black ink that won't fade or feather within 20 years" ***Because this is how long it may take for them to read it ????***
"arrangement, style, style of type must be exact" ***I take style of type to be font? Well the downloaded form DID have different fonts in some places***
"wording and punctuation of data elements and identifying information must match exactly" ***I am figuring that the fonts changes and puntuation differences I see on Jonothons and Chengs downloaded forms are NOT the "data and identifying places"???***
***There are some comments about that 4 page 325A that comes in carbon form also..the ruling is*** "maybe printed as single sheets PROVIDED the DESTINATION of carbon copy is CLEARLY identified at bottom" Now i must say that J&C downloads did give me 4 copies AND they had destinations at bottom, but I have heard that people made copies of the first 2 pages and used as the 3 and 4 pages. MY problem was that as my fiance (in India downloaded these pages the words rantogetherlikethis....foolishly we sent these...this may be the death blow to our initial application???
Oh, and yes, there is mention of the color too "private entities MUST reproduce forms on the SAME color paper"
Thanks belatedly for this information. I am at fault, I now see it included on the web site. So now I'm reduced to waiting for my RFE?????? Or should I as private entity remail with explaination that some of the forms may be inaccurate and to accept the new ones???
[Edited by tara on May 17th 2001 at 4:07pm]
May 18th 2001, 1:46 am
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Sorry, couldn't wade through your run together post for the main point. If you are
arguing that you can't use downloaded forms for some reason, good for you. Wait for
the ones you ordered.
Try using paragraphs, hit the return key once in awhile. ;o)
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http://clik.to/getk1 K-1 & Adjustment of Status Links Page
http://clik.to/K1andAOSLinks Newsgroup FAQ http://www.k1faq.com Arnaldo and Alvena's
Fiance Visa Page http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/ Immigration and Naturalization
Service http://www.ins.usdoj.gov {I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. For
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arguing that you can't use downloaded forms for some reason, good for you. Wait for
the ones you ordered.
Try using paragraphs, hit the return key once in awhile. ;o)
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http://clik.to/getk1 K-1 & Adjustment of Status Links Page
http://clik.to/K1andAOSLinks Newsgroup FAQ http://www.k1faq.com Arnaldo and Alvena's
Fiance Visa Page http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/ Immigration and Naturalization
Service http://www.ins.usdoj.gov {I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. For
reliable legal advice, please consult with a professional immigration attorney.}
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May 18th 2001, 2:10 am
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Okay, I took the time to go through your post...
I think what is confusing you about the link I sent you to is that it is mainly
geared towards entities who would create the whole form themselves using the
computer, i.e. not downloading from INS and applying the fill in blanks, but instead
creating a form from scratch.
As for making photocopies of forms and as for using the available fillable forms,
they CAN be on all white. Perhaps the link I sent you to is not the one where I read
about the ALL white stipulations. In that case, could someone please post that link?
See below for comments:
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http://clik.to/getk1 K-1 & Adjustment of Status Links Page
http://clik.to/K1andAOSLinks Newsgroup FAQ http://www.k1faq.com Arnaldo and Alvena's
Fiance Visa Page http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/ Immigration and Naturalization
Service http://www.ins.usdoj.gov {I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. For
reliable legal advice, please consult with a professional immigration attorney.}
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Most ink jet printers and laser printers fit this requirement.
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The forms I provide are EXACT copies of the forms available online. The type is the
same, the font is the same. They are refering to the form, not the blanks you fill
in. The font for the fill in blanks is Helvetica, the standard font used by most who
code the forms.
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All wording and punctuation of the data elements is retained when I code the forms.
All I do is make a blank for you to enter information using Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.0.
How would you know what font INS is using as compared to the font I chose, Helvetica?
(Che-Ning, by the way.)
I changed no fonts nor altered the forms in any way other than to add the ability to
enter information into the form using an English based opperating system. (People
from foreign countries using special fonts for their language will likely have
problems as they won't have the Helvetica font on their computer. )
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Matters not what you have heard. You need to send all four pages until such time as
K-1's are issued the G-325 instead of the G-325A. (2 Vs. 4 sheets) Use the four page
version as it is requested and required.
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It won't blow your initial application. However, if you really sent in forms with the
words running together, you can expect them to request you fill in the form correctly
for them later on. Why didn't he just print out the blank form and then fill it in?
Why did you try to use this as it doesn't work for foreign opperating systems without
the proper fonts installed?
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The link is clearly laid out on my site.
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No need to read pink. Thousands have remitted white I-129F's and NO reports of them
being returned or denied because of the color of the paper.
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No, it won't help you to remail with any explanation. They will never match it up
with your petition.
What you should do is relax. Nothing can be done now. You must wait. You sent in the
form with the text all run together. This has nothing to do with the forms I (or
others who have contributed to my FreeForms site) have coded. It is your
responsiblity to make sure that the forms are up-to-date and legible. My site is very
clear about requirements and if you have read the pages leading up to the FreeForms
site, you would have been educated enough. It's all there. Hundreds of couples have
worked with me and have ALL gotten their K-1's based upon the correct information I
have collected in this one place. Please, to avoid further difficulties later on,
read the site from the beginning to the end. It WILL help you more than you know.
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I am sorry that the forms did not work properly for your fiancé. It has nothing
to do with the forms and everything to do with the fonts installed on your
fiancé's computer.
Hope this answers your questions, Tara.
I think what is confusing you about the link I sent you to is that it is mainly
geared towards entities who would create the whole form themselves using the
computer, i.e. not downloading from INS and applying the fill in blanks, but instead
creating a form from scratch.
As for making photocopies of forms and as for using the available fillable forms,
they CAN be on all white. Perhaps the link I sent you to is not the one where I read
about the ALL white stipulations. In that case, could someone please post that link?
See below for comments:
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http://clik.to/getk1 K-1 & Adjustment of Status Links Page
http://clik.to/K1andAOSLinks Newsgroup FAQ http://www.k1faq.com Arnaldo and Alvena's
Fiance Visa Page http://www2.apex.net/users/thehydes/ Immigration and Naturalization
Service http://www.ins.usdoj.gov {I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. For
reliable legal advice, please consult with a professional immigration attorney.}
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Most ink jet printers and laser printers fit this requirement.
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The forms I provide are EXACT copies of the forms available online. The type is the
same, the font is the same. They are refering to the form, not the blanks you fill
in. The font for the fill in blanks is Helvetica, the standard font used by most who
code the forms.
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All wording and punctuation of the data elements is retained when I code the forms.
All I do is make a blank for you to enter information using Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.0.
How would you know what font INS is using as compared to the font I chose, Helvetica?
(Che-Ning, by the way.)
I changed no fonts nor altered the forms in any way other than to add the ability to
enter information into the form using an English based opperating system. (People
from foreign countries using special fonts for their language will likely have
problems as they won't have the Helvetica font on their computer. )
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Matters not what you have heard. You need to send all four pages until such time as
K-1's are issued the G-325 instead of the G-325A. (2 Vs. 4 sheets) Use the four page
version as it is requested and required.
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It won't blow your initial application. However, if you really sent in forms with the
words running together, you can expect them to request you fill in the form correctly
for them later on. Why didn't he just print out the blank form and then fill it in?
Why did you try to use this as it doesn't work for foreign opperating systems without
the proper fonts installed?
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The link is clearly laid out on my site.
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No need to read pink. Thousands have remitted white I-129F's and NO reports of them
being returned or denied because of the color of the paper.
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No, it won't help you to remail with any explanation. They will never match it up
with your petition.
What you should do is relax. Nothing can be done now. You must wait. You sent in the
form with the text all run together. This has nothing to do with the forms I (or
others who have contributed to my FreeForms site) have coded. It is your
responsiblity to make sure that the forms are up-to-date and legible. My site is very
clear about requirements and if you have read the pages leading up to the FreeForms
site, you would have been educated enough. It's all there. Hundreds of couples have
worked with me and have ALL gotten their K-1's based upon the correct information I
have collected in this one place. Please, to avoid further difficulties later on,
read the site from the beginning to the end. It WILL help you more than you know.
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>
>
I am sorry that the forms did not work properly for your fiancé. It has nothing
to do with the forms and everything to do with the fonts installed on your
fiancé's computer.
Hope this answers your questions, Tara.
May 18th 2001, 2:24 am
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I think you're getting way too worked up about this whole thing. Even though you
found this obscure reference that says "private entities MUST reproduce forms on the
SAME color paper" I think there are plenty of us here in the newsgroup who can attest
that we did not do that and our applications went through just fine.
I'm not sure what to say about a downloaded form where as you put it, the words
rantogetherlikethis but I guess I would take care to get readable forms in future and
try not to worry about what has been submitted. I defer to others in this newsgroup
with more experience on the question of remailing an application before you've heard
back on the first submission - it strikes me as though that could cause you even more
trouble, but I'm not really sure.
Susan
On Thu, 17 May 2001 16:46:37 GMT, tara <[email protected]> wrote:
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found this obscure reference that says "private entities MUST reproduce forms on the
SAME color paper" I think there are plenty of us here in the newsgroup who can attest
that we did not do that and our applications went through just fine.
I'm not sure what to say about a downloaded form where as you put it, the words
rantogetherlikethis but I guess I would take care to get readable forms in future and
try not to worry about what has been submitted. I defer to others in this newsgroup
with more experience on the question of remailing an application before you've heard
back on the first submission - it strikes me as though that could cause you even more
trouble, but I'm not really sure.
Susan
On Thu, 17 May 2001 16:46:37 GMT, tara <[email protected]> wrote:
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