Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > USA
Reload this Page >

FBAR for defunct pension scheme?

FBAR for defunct pension scheme?

Thread Tools
 
Old Jul 28th 2014, 5:35 pm
  #1  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1
healdp is an unknown quantity at this point
Question FBAR for defunct pension scheme?

Hi all,

I've read some threads on FBAR topics, but none seem to cover my situation. I've been in the US, as a resident alien, for a few years. My only financial interest in the UK is an old Equitable Life (employer-sponsored) pension. Though now defunct and closed to new business, it does have more than $10k (I guess I'll just leave it there until I retire, wherever that is). While working on my last US tax forms, I came across the FBAR declaration. Some initial investigation seemed to indicate I should tick that I would file an individual FBAR. Since my tax filing, after trying to make more sense of the various instructions, I now don't think I need to. Also, I moved house, inter-state, and forgot all about it in the upheaval, so now it's past the deadline anyway. So now I'm trying to work out the best thing to do. Do I need to eFile an FBAR or not? Should I notify the IRS if I now don't think I need to? If I do need to file, will I be fined? What's my best course of action?
Thanks!
Pete
healdp is offline  
Old Jul 28th 2014, 11:27 pm
  #2  
JAJ
Retired
 
JAJ's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 34,649
JAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: FBAR for defunct pension scheme?

Defined contribution pension plans are normally FBAR reportable, although since it won't likely be generating taxable income, it's not going to lead to tax fraud prosecution (similar to Swiss bank account investigations) or anything like that.

It's too late to file a timely FBAR for 2013, and although they do accept late filings, if you were to file for 2013 you might wish to file for 2012 and prior years. The alternative is to file FBAR for 2014 next year (by June 30), as a first time filer. Many people send in first time FBAR filings, without filing for prior years, and it is not the norm for the IRS/Treasury to investigate why prior years were not so filed.
JAJ is offline  
Old Jul 29th 2014, 11:48 am
  #3  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Location: Athens GA
Posts: 2,133
MidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond reputeMidAtlantic has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: FBAR for defunct pension scheme?

You have just become aware of the issue, so I would file 2013 now and you can genuinely give as your reason "Did not know that I had to file". That is one of the choices they give you for filing late.
MidAtlantic is offline  
Old Aug 1st 2014, 9:24 pm
  #4  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 902
Cook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond reputeCook_County has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: FBAR for defunct pension scheme?

One assumes that you have elected into the treaty so that growth is not taxed and 8938 filing has been handled if appropriate. If so, the IRS answer is here: Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures

The statute of limitations for late FBARs is the last 6 years.
Cook_County is offline  
Old Aug 2nd 2014, 1:11 am
  #5  
JAJ
Retired
 
JAJ's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 34,649
JAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: FBAR for defunct pension scheme?

Originally Posted by Cook_County
One assumes that you have elected into the treaty so that growth is not taxed
Generally irrelevant, since the IRS do not normally ask for a specific election to be made to defer this kind of income.

The statute of limitations for late FBARs is the last 6 years.
Also irrelevant, generally, since the IRS/Treasury do not normally prosecute on FBAR unless alongside action on tax fraud (quite unusual in everyday circumstances).
JAJ is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.