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Old Jun 27th 2020, 9:16 pm
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/w...ravel-ban.html

Do you think that will apply to "Americans" (i.e. passport holders) or people traveling from America, i.e. anyone who happens to be in the USA regardless of passport? If the UK doesn't follow suit, I could see a scenario where Americans come to the UK for a few days or a week and then onward to the EU, claiming "I'm coming from London, not New York" or something like that.
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Old Jun 27th 2020, 9:53 pm
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Default Re: EU Travel Ban on "Americans"

On a related note, when do we think the Schengen/UK exec order will be revoked? I still don't particularly like being stuck in the US if something urgent comes up in the UK.
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Old Jun 27th 2020, 9:55 pm
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Default Re: EU Travel Ban on "Americans"

Originally Posted by penguinsix View Post
"Americans" (i.e. passport holders)
Also for dual-citizens can we claim to be British and travel, may need to dust off the old British passport

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Old Jun 28th 2020, 7:15 am
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Default Re: EU Travel Ban on "Americans"

Originally Posted by penguinsix View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/w...ravel-ban.html

Do you think that will apply to "Americans" (i.e. passport holders) or people traveling from America, i.e. anyone who happens to be in the USA regardless of passport? If the UK doesn't follow suit, I could see a scenario where Americans come to the UK for a few days or a week and then onward to the EU, claiming "I'm coming from London, not New York" or something like that.
It might be the same as the US ban in reverse i.e. anybody that's been in the US for the 14 days prior. Which would mean a 2 week stay somewhere like the UK first. Just as those in the UK that want to go to the US are having to spend a couple of weeks in Mexico or similar first now.

Originally Posted by OldJuddian View Post
Also for dual-citizens can we claim to be British and travel, may need to dust off the old British passport

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Again if it's like the US ban, citizenship won't be relevant, only where you've been.
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Old Jun 28th 2020, 2:48 pm
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Again if it's like the US ban, citizenship won't be relevant, only where you've been.
Citizenship is relevant. US citizens aren’t subject to the travel ban on entering the US if they travel from the U.K.

I suspect if the U.K. follows the lead of the EU and bans travellers from the USA then British citizens will not be subject to that ban even if they do come from the USA.
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Old Jun 28th 2020, 6:35 pm
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Originally Posted by postbox134 View Post
On a related note, when do we think the Schengen/UK exec order will be revoked? I still don't particularly like being stuck in the US if something urgent comes up in the UK.
Facui has recently said in the press that it is possible that the UK ban at least will remain until a vaccine is available. Make of that statement what you will.

I think the UK/EU should ban the americans in kind until they lift the ban on us. That is only fair.
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Old Jun 28th 2020, 6:45 pm
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I’m planning on flying to the UK to pick up my daughter in mid July. I’m only staying for one day and plan to quarantine while I’m there.

From what I understand of the rules they won’t be stopping citizens from entering, I’ll be using my UK passport to enter the UK and my USA passport for the trip back.
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Default Re: EU Travel Ban on "Americans"

Originally Posted by GeneralPowerpoint View Post
Citizenship is relevant. US citizens aren’t subject to the travel ban on entering the US if they travel from the U.K.

I suspect if the U.K. follows the lead of the EU and bans travellers from the USA then British citizens will not be subject to that ban even if they do come from the USA.
US Citizens and LPRs are not subject to the ban on travel into the USA from the countries listed in the relevant EO but are subject to self-quarantine/isolation for 14 days after arrival into the USA. I would expect that UK citizens travelling from the USA will be admissible into the UK but then subject to the existing 14 days of quarantine/isolation.
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Originally Posted by Ja5on View Post
I’m planning on flying to the UK to pick up my daughter in mid July. I’m only staying for one day and plan to quarantine while I’m there.
I thought one had to quarantine 14 days minimum?

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I thought one had to quarantine 14 days minimum?

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if your trip is less than 14 days then you have to quarantine for your entire stay.
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Old Jun 28th 2020, 10:27 pm
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Facui has recently said in the press that it is possible that the UK ban at least will remain until a vaccine is available. Make of that statement what you will.

I think the UK/EU should ban the americans in kind until they lift the ban on us. That is only fair.
A vaccine? That could take 10 years or more. And need to be changed every year like the flu vaccine.

Some work colleagues whose trips to “Europe” this summer (the usual 10 countries in 7 days “I’ve done Europe” thing) are in the balance depending on how the ruling goes, have been reminded by me that it’s only fair that they be banned from Europe as long as Europeans are banned from coming here. I was supposed to see my mother for the first time in 2 years last month but she was banned from coming here. So I can’t shed any tears that their cruises from Venice have been canceled.
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Can't you run into issues doing that, I only ask as I knew a guy from Brazil who left LAX on his US passport, when he arrived in Brazil he used his Brazilian passport all was good but when he flew back he was stopped at immigration at LAX as it showed his US passport had not been used to enter the Brazil, they held him and he was returned back to Brazil to try again using his US passport and when he returned back to LAX again he was admitted ok.

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Old Jun 29th 2020, 1:10 am
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Can't you run into issues doing that, I only ask as I knew a guy from Brazil who left LAX on his US passport, when he arrived in Brazil he used his Brazilian passport all was good but when he flew back he was stopped at immigration at LAX as it showed his US passport had not been used to enter the Brazil, they held him and he was returned back to Brazil to try again using his US passport and when he returned back to LAX again he was admitted ok.
Whilst I do think that USCIS have access to your complete travel history, I also have heard of Brits/USCs using their UK passports when they arrive in UK to avoid the longer immigration queues without issues.
Maybe it's just right now when people like your Brazilian friend is just trying to circumvent sensible immigration rules.
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What if you wanted to work in say the UK while you were there? As a UK citizen that's fine but as a US visitor that's not. Surely as long as you leave and enter the US on that passport you'll be good.
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What if you wanted to work in say the UK while you were there? As a UK citizen that's fine but as a US visitor that's not. Surely as long as you leave and enter the US on that passport you'll be good.
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yes of course.
which is why I think your Brazilian friend is talking out of his backside.
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