Entering / exiting UK with US / UK passports
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Entering / exiting UK with US / UK passports
I am worried I might have done something that will cause an issue - can anyone advise:
JFK to Frankfurt, departed US on US passport, entered Frankfurt using UK passport.
Then went from.Brussels to UK on Eurostar, departed Brussels using UK passport.
Return is London City to Frankfurt, overnight layover at airport hotel then Frankfurt to JFK
Check in at London City was all the way through to JFK (bags are being sent directly there) I used US passport to check in.
So - I entered Europe with my UK passport but so far there is no record of me leaving with that passport. When I go to get my boarding pass at Frankfurt tomorrow morning shall I present both passports? Just my US passport?
JFK to Frankfurt, departed US on US passport, entered Frankfurt using UK passport.
Then went from.Brussels to UK on Eurostar, departed Brussels using UK passport.
Return is London City to Frankfurt, overnight layover at airport hotel then Frankfurt to JFK
Check in at London City was all the way through to JFK (bags are being sent directly there) I used US passport to check in.
So - I entered Europe with my UK passport but so far there is no record of me leaving with that passport. When I go to get my boarding pass at Frankfurt tomorrow morning shall I present both passports? Just my US passport?
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Re: Entering / exiting UK with US / UK passports
I used to do what you describe all the time when I was working and traveling to various UK and EU countries and followed the same practice you describe. When your destination is the USA you must present your US passport to the airline.
Always carry both passports with you in case you are questioned. The UK used to be like Australia is now in that it had exit controls with border control agents who checked that you had been in the country legally. Our son in law lives and works in the USA and is a dual Australia/USA citizen so on entering Australia to visit family he is required to show his Australian passport but on leaving presents his US passport at check in but then his Australian passport at border control before getting to the gates. (Like the USA, Australia requires its citizens to enter and leave on their Australian passport).
Always carry both passports with you in case you are questioned. The UK used to be like Australia is now in that it had exit controls with border control agents who checked that you had been in the country legally. Our son in law lives and works in the USA and is a dual Australia/USA citizen so on entering Australia to visit family he is required to show his Australian passport but on leaving presents his US passport at check in but then his Australian passport at border control before getting to the gates. (Like the USA, Australia requires its citizens to enter and leave on their Australian passport).
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You did not do anything wrong. In fact, you did everything right!
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I agree.
I am not sure that the passport systems in Europe are joined up enough yet to match incoming and departing passports, bearing in mind that you could arrive in, say, Lisbon and depart from, say, Athens anything from a couple of days to ten years or more later, and not be logged by any passport system in between. But hypothetically if someone wanted to match incoming and outgoing passports then, after "same passport" matches, your "different passport" (assuming same name, same DoB, same origin/ultimate destination port (or at least "country") would be right at the top of the list to be paired off manually.
I am not sure that the passport systems in Europe are joined up enough yet to match incoming and departing passports, bearing in mind that you could arrive in, say, Lisbon and depart from, say, Athens anything from a couple of days to ten years or more later, and not be logged by any passport system in between. But hypothetically if someone wanted to match incoming and outgoing passports then, after "same passport" matches, your "different passport" (assuming same name, same DoB, same origin/ultimate destination port (or at least "country") would be right at the top of the list to be paired off manually.
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Thanks for the feedback - will stop worrying!
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Re: Entering / exiting UK with US / UK passports
I am worried I might have done something that will cause an issue - can anyone advise:
JFK to Frankfurt, departed US on US passport, entered Frankfurt using UK passport.
Then went from.Brussels to UK on Eurostar, departed Brussels using UK passport.
Return is London City to Frankfurt, overnight layover at airport hotel then Frankfurt to JFK
Check in at London City was all the way through to JFK (bags are being sent directly there) I used US passport to check in.
So - I entered Europe with my UK passport but so far there is no record of me leaving with that passport. When I go to get my boarding pass at Frankfurt tomorrow morning shall I present both passports? Just my US passport?
JFK to Frankfurt, departed US on US passport, entered Frankfurt using UK passport.
Then went from.Brussels to UK on Eurostar, departed Brussels using UK passport.
Return is London City to Frankfurt, overnight layover at airport hotel then Frankfurt to JFK
Check in at London City was all the way through to JFK (bags are being sent directly there) I used US passport to check in.
So - I entered Europe with my UK passport but so far there is no record of me leaving with that passport. When I go to get my boarding pass at Frankfurt tomorrow morning shall I present both passports? Just my US passport?
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Assuming you hold a UK passport because you are a British Citizen and not for some other reason like being a British overseas territories citizen you have the right to remain in the UK indefinitely, so why would you need to create a record of leaving, are you are worried about UK tax residence or something else?
At Frankfurt I used my US passport at ticket check-in and my UK passport when passing through immigration exiting Germany.
Last edited by EricK; Jan 18th 2019 at 6:02 am.
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Keep your boarding passes, credit card statements showing spending outside UK or even download your US entry record online, if it ever comes up you have evidence you left.
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There was no follow up which I was relieved about as I didn’t keep any boarding cards which would have been the definitive proof of leaving the country as buying tickets does not mean that I actually took those flights or sailed on the ferry to Ireland or took the cruise to Iceland etc.
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The chances are extremely slim that you will be challenged on it, but HSBC ratted me out once. In 2011 we stayed for 7 months arriving early March and spending several weeks overseas in Ireland, Madeira and a 2 week cruise to Iceland and Norway. I kept a spreadsheet tracking our time in the UK every year including a rolling 4 year average as was the rule at the time on residency. Shortly after getting back to the USA HSBC wrote me a letter with apologies that it was an HMRC requirement that they monitored activity of their overseas customers and from the transactions at ATMs it appeared I may have hit the residency limits. They supplied me with an HMRC form to complete on which I had to enter the entry and exit dates over the last few years plus the expected time I would spent over the next few years in the UK. I did not need to forward any proof such as boarding passes but I did dig out my airline and cruise ticket receipts in case there was any follow-up.
There was no follow up which I was relieved about as I didn’t keep any boarding cards which would have been the definitive proof of leaving the country as buying tickets does not mean that I actually took those flights or sailed on the ferry to Ireland or took the cruise to Iceland etc.
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A boarding pass is not definitive proof of much more than checking in, a frequent flyer account statement is better proof as they only credit when a flight is taken, not just checkin. Interesting that HSBC was monitoring and that they alerted you to that, rather than just informing HMRC.
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yes definelty nice, I am more used to the FinCEN SAR type requirements where you are not allowed to inform the subject of the report.
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Re: Entering / exiting UK with US / UK passports
The chances are extremely slim that you will be challenged on it, but HSBC ratted me out once. In 2011 we stayed for 7 months arriving early March and spending several weeks overseas in Ireland, Madeira and a 2 week cruise to Iceland and Norway. I kept a spreadsheet tracking our time in the UK every year including a rolling 4 year average as was the rule at the time on residency. Shortly after getting back to the USA HSBC wrote me a letter with apologies that it was an HMRC requirement that they monitored activity of their overseas customers and from the transactions at ATMs it appeared I may have hit the residency limits. They supplied me with an HMRC form to complete on which I had to enter the entry and exit dates over the last few years plus the expected time I would spent over the next few years in the UK. I did not need to forward any proof such as boarding passes but I did dig out my airline and cruise ticket receipts in case there was any follow-up.
There was no follow up which I was relieved about as I didn’t keep any boarding cards which would have been the definitive proof of leaving the country as buying tickets does not mean that I actually took those flights or sailed on the ferry to Ireland or took the cruise to Iceland etc.
If a dual citizen going to USA for reservation do they give US or UK passport info?
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A question which I realize may be silly If a dual-citizen leaves UK to visit Ireland on US passport, is here an exit control in UK that will put a stamp on passport saying left the Uk ( to show before 6 months up). Conversely, if one comes into Uk from Ireland on a U passports any stamp made on passport to show date returned to UK ? ( I assume not just asking)
If a dual citizen going to USA for reservation do they give US or UK passport info?
If a dual citizen going to USA for reservation do they give US or UK passport info?
I am not aware that the UK has ever stamped passports to record departures.
Last edited by Pulaski; Feb 19th 2019 at 8:34 pm.
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I'm not a dual citizen, I'm only a US citizen, but I traveled from USA to Ireland, Ireland to Scotland, Scotland to England, England to Wales, Wales to Ireland, and Ireland to USA. My passport was only stamped upon that first entry to Ireland and that's it.
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