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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575539)
I would not want knowingly to associate with anyone who carries a weapon of any kind.
No offense sweetheart but I think you do every day on BE. We're not all killers you know! |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by gsnichol
(Post 4575271)
Just because one has a 'right' to do something - anything - doesn't mean one has to do it...
Originally Posted by gsnichol
(Post 4575271)
Correct, but the gun helps. A gun is probably the only thing that can be manufactured legally, purchased legally, carried legally and, when used for it's intended purpose, will kill.
Originally Posted by gsnichol
(Post 4575271)
Problems and tragedies arise when they fall into the hands of those lacking common sense.
I believe the real story here is the sad and tragic waste of a human life. It sickens me that the anti-gun brigade will try and use this for their agenda . . . |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Molly Malone
(Post 4575567)
No offense sweetheart but I think you do every day on BE. We're not all killers you know!
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
I respect your choice Elvira.
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575539)
I would not want knowingly to associate with anyone who carries a weapon of any kind.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 4575565)
They probably don't want to associate themselves with you either. :p
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575580)
Good!
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 4575585)
I'm calling my friends now to quiz them on their music preference, I'll be asking them to rate opera music on a scale of 1-10; anyone who gives it more than 8 will be disowned!
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575587)
I think it is quite sick that you equate love of guns with love of opera...
BTW, The comment was tongue-in-cheek. :rolleyes: |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 4575594)
You don't have to "love" guns to want to be able to protect yourself with one.
BTW, The comment was tongue-in-cheek. :rolleyes: |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575539)
I would not want knowingly to associate with anyone who carries a weapon of any kind.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575605)
I'm sure it was. I am sorry, but I absolutely hate weapons and violence of any kind.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by NC Penguin
(Post 4575633)
... but many items can be used as weapons even though this is not their primary purpose. e.g. golf club, penknife, tennis ball, plastic bag full of oranges (got this from The Grifters). I think you get the picture.
There is a huge difference between someone, either in a fit of temper or in response to an attack, using something that can be used as weapon - as opposed to carrying a weapon whose sole purpose is to harm someone. I am sorry, but I simply do not want to have any association with anyone who carries a weapon. Luckily I live in a place where gun ownership is rare - and people here seem to manage just fine without them. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Texas Mom
(Post 4573722)
As texas_ranger says, this news has completely shocked us.
I've just returned from grocery shopping and was paying particular attention to the idiot behind me weaving in and out on a two land road trying to get by me at the earliest opportunity. I couldn't help but think what that poor woman last night must have been feeling like to have your husband slumped in the seat next to you, it scares the hell out of me and what about the poor son. I honestly have tears in my eyes as I type. Who the hell do these people think they are that they can open fire and take away a husband and a father in one swift move then go home and sleep in their beds at night!!! I hope the bastard who is responsible for this burns in hell. I so agree with you on this. And it really doesn't matter what nationality the poor man was. A life was snuffed out with no regard to the impact upon the family. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575649)
That is not the point, as you jolly well know.
There is a huge difference between someone, either in a fit of temper or in response to an attack, using something that can be used as weapon - as opposed to carrying a weapon whose sole purpose is to harm someone. I am sorry, but I simply do not want to have any association with anyone who carries a weapon. Luckily I live in a place where gun ownership is rare - and people here seem to manage just fine without them. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575649)
I am sorry, but I simply do not want to have any association with anyone who carries a weapon. Luckily I live in a place where gun ownership is rare - and people here seem to manage just fine without them.
You know I carry a gun and own plenty ... are you going to be true to your first sentence ...unlikely ... |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Its all perspective Elvira, you use emotive words like "sole purpose is to harm someone" when in fact it is really to defend oneself. Carrying a gun does not equate to being forced in to using it in any circumstance, it doesn't remove an individuals choice. I still have a choice in whether I draw and shoot my weapon (in fact the law here states if I draw my weapon it can only be to shoot it, I cannot draw it to scare someone away - it must be imminent danger).
If I see something or I am exposed to something that is wrong I have a choice as to whether I draw my weapon. Just because I carry a gun it doesn't mean I will use it unnecessarily. I hope I never need to use for more than fun at the range. scenario: A child is being gang raped and tortured, a gun lies nearby - do you watch or do you use the gun? This is the real world Elvira, some nasty people share it with the rest of us. Your choice in music differentiates you, it does not elevate you
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575649)
as opposed to carrying a weapon whose sole purpose is to harm someone.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
No one can keep track of a gun at all times, every minute of the day. The idea that guns protect is a fallacy. I have never come across anyone, or heard of someone, whose life was saved because they carried a gun, or conversely, someone who was harmed because they did not carry a gun.
Our next-door-neighbour owns a gun, but he is an exception. I keep as far away from him as possible. I am confident that none of my friends and acquaintances carry guns. Guns are dangerous and kill more people accidentally, through heat of the moment murder, or suicide, than they save. The whole idea of people walking around with concealed weapons is both scary and sick. (And I have absolutely no idea what my taste in music has got to do with any of this...) |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575766)
No one can keep track of a gun at all times, every minute of the day. The idea that guns protect is a fallacy. I have never come across anyone, or heard of someone, whose life was saved because they carried a gun, or conversely, someone who was harmed because they did not carry a gun.
You can read a loads of news stories about these "successful" uses on packing.org (you'll have to look in the forums for links to the news stories).
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575766)
Guns are dangerous and kill more people accidentally, through heat of the moment murder, or suicide, than they save.
Anyway, you're not supposed to be talking to us! :D |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Here's one - only in Florida!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1 Reminds me of a Miami Vice episode! Here's a whole list for you Elvira: http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...g/blogger.html PS: I know you're not going to comment as you can't associate yourself with me! :) But I'll still talk to you, even though I don't like opera! |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575766)
The idea that guns protect is a fallacy. any of this...)
http://www.wagc.com/GunsSaveLives.html http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pb...=2007703050350 http://www.commongroundcommonsense.o...hp/t20809.html http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=30407 |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
My tuppence.
I don't believe in concealed carry or handguns outside of using them at shooting ranges. I know that many of you own handguns and use them responsibly, but if I had to /were allowed to vote, I would vote to ban concealed carry. Visible carry? Would have to think harder on that one. But probably a complete ban, also on semi- and automatic weapons. I believe that allowing shotguns and rifles preserves the spirit of the Second Amendment and allows for hunting. I would not hunt myself but I do know that some people do need the meat and that a lot of it, at least here, is donated to the poor. I also know that we have an overabundance of deer who will starve and eat entire forests if not checked. The only person I feel I could not be friends with would be a gun owner in a home with small children, unless that person followed advice and kept guns locked separate from locked ammunition. I could not allow my child to visit that house because I would not consider it safe. I do not see that it is possible to keep guns and ammo locked separately, AND use the gun for defence.... but for hunting, yes. I grew up with shotguns everywhere and my grandfather hunted for survival during periods of his life. My father and brother have hunted. But I do not feel comfortable around handguns. I've been in several situations where they were not used properly and the thoughts still terrify me. This is my honest opinion and I share it knowing it may not be popular. I would rather see a shotgun hanging in the back of a pickup cab than some idiot SUV driver with a pistol in the glovebox. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
You won't like me then. I am lethal with a golf club. A couple of years ago in the previous town I lived in, a couple of teen thugs were breaking into my daughter's car in the middle of the night. I grabbed my gown, yelled at my hubs and daughter and raced downstairs. Just so happened my beloved's Pings were waiting by the front door for his morning game. I grabbed the driver and raced outside and pursued the punters. I believe I was quite a sight racing down the road waving said driver in a decisively threatening manner with my dressing gown billowing behind me showing off rather shorty pj's. Young men running hell for leather down the road and me making a huge ruckus.:tounge_smile: Daughter horrified at Mum flashing some bits to the neighbourhood in my pursuit, and hubs horrified that I was prepared to destroy his Ping driver on wayward youth!! :eek: Good news is, they didn't get away with a thing, and one of them was decidely scared of facing me when we headed to court. I made such a good impression........;)
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Tegwyn
(Post 4575822)
You won't like me then. I am lethal with a golf club. A couple of years ago in the previous town I lived in, a couple of teen thugs were breaking into my daughter's car in the middle of the night. I grabbed my gown, yelled at my hubs and daughter and raced downstairs. Just so happened my beloved's Pings were waiting by the front door for his morning game. I grabbed the driver and raced outside and pursued the punters. I believe I was quite a sight racing down the road waving said driver in a decisively threatening manner with my dressing gown billowing behind me showing off rather shorty pj's. Young men running hell for leather down the road and me making a huge ruckus.:tounge_smile: Daughter horrified at Mum flashing some bits to the neighbourhood in my pursuit, and hubs horrified that I was prepared to destroy his Ping driver on wayward youth!! :eek: Good news is, they didn't get away with a thing, and one of them was decidely scared of facing me when we headed to court. I made such a good impression........;)
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Got no problems with golf clubs or baseball bats or hammers used in self-defence or for their intended purpose. You must be within really close distance to use them and that makes a difference.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Texas Mom
(Post 4574996)
They are American, been living in England for the past seven years.
They recently moved back to TX for him to start a new job. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575827)
Got no problems with golf clubs or baseball bats or hammers used in self-defence or for their intended purpose. You must be within really close distance to use them and that makes a difference.
I'd love to see a 120lb woman fend of a 220lb rapist with a baseball bat, I really would, but a good result isn't going to be the norm. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575819)
My tuppence.
I don't believe in concealed carry or handguns outside of using them at shooting ranges. I know that many of you own handguns and use them responsibly, but if I had to /were allowed to vote, I would vote to ban concealed carry. Visible carry? Would have to think harder on that one. But probably a complete ban, also on semi- and automatic weapons. I believe that allowing shotguns and rifles preserves the spirit of the Second Amendment and allows for hunting. I would not hunt myself but I do know that some people do need the meat and that a lot of it, at least here, is donated to the poor. I also know that we have an overabundance of deer who will starve and eat entire forests if not checked. The only person I feel I could not be friends with would be a gun owner in a home with small children, unless that person followed advice and kept guns locked separate from locked ammunition. I could not allow my child to visit that house because I would not consider it safe. I do not see that it is possible to keep guns and ammo locked separately, AND use the gun for defence.... but for hunting, yes. I grew up with shotguns everywhere and my grandfather hunted for survival during periods of his life. My father and brother have hunted. But I do not feel comfortable around handguns. I've been in several situations where they were not used properly and the thoughts still terrify me. This is my honest opinion and I share it knowing it may not be popular. I would rather see a shotgun hanging in the back of a pickup cab than some idiot SUV driver with a pistol in the glovebox. It's the concept of people walking around with concealed weapons that scares the shit out of me. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575819)
My tuppence.
The only person I feel I could not be friends with would be a gun owner in a home with small children, unless that person followed advice and kept guns locked separate from locked ammunition. I could not allow my child to visit that house because I would not consider it safe. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575819)
My tuppence.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575819)
My Would have to think harder on that one. But probably a complete ban, also on semi- and automatic weapons.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Elvira
(Post 4575831)
I can live with hunting rifles and sports guns that are securely locked away. (Though I would not have allowed my children to visit such a house when they were minors.)
If you're thinking about "assault weapons", then you've been mislead into thinking a hunting rifle with cosmetic changes is more dangerous than the original hunting rifle. See here for a better explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30 Also, Penn and Teller sometimes tackle serious topics; included in this show is why one woman from Texas supports concealed carry: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...08445846864220 |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by DollyLlama
(Post 4575826)
You go girl! :)
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Tegwyn
(Post 4575844)
Pity they don't make golf balls a tad bigger. My accuracy rate would improve then.;)
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Tegwyn
(Post 4575834)
How would you know if those people do in fact carry guns? There is no guarantee that they would reveal that sort of info to you. Most would deny it or sell the obvious responsibility story. The best you can do is teach your kids to leave an environment where kids are talking of playing with guns or are actually handling them. Communication is crucial.
I only have a very few rules and they know I'm serious about this one. We live in a state that's armed to the teeth so obviously I don't shit myself every time I walk out the door. But I'm uncomfortable around someone whom I do not know well but that I do know is carrying a handgun. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by Ray
(Post 4575841)
Fully automatics have been effectively banned since 1934
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575850)
I know, but those illegal conversions are what make me go off the semis.
That rarely happens anymore. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 4575859)
Weren't you here earlier?!! :D
That rarely happens anymore. |
Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575864)
Yep. :D now that it is a felony. Which is good.
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 4575887)
More have probably been taken from FBI cars than converted. They always seem to be having their [proper] assault weapons stolen!
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Re: English Expat shot dead in Dallas
Originally Posted by snowbunny
(Post 4575895)
That's because many of them are numpties.
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