Employment offer 'At will' wordings
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Employment offer 'At will' wordings
Hello All,
I have been offered a relocation to US and the employment contract mentions it as 'at will' employment.
How risky is this?
Also it does not talk about any severance package or option. Is this standard?
thanks,
Barua
I have been offered a relocation to US and the employment contract mentions it as 'at will' employment.
How risky is this?
Also it does not talk about any severance package or option. Is this standard?
thanks,
Barua
#2
Re: Employment offer 'At will' wordings
It means the employer can terminate your employment without notice and without reason. This is quite normal in the US. You may be able to negotiate a termination package before accepting the position.
Last edited by Jerseygirl; Sep 9th 2016 at 11:51 am.
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Re: Employment offer 'At will' wordings
Thanks Jerseygirl
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"At will" employment and severance packages are not mutually exclusive, and "at will" employment has more impact on people being terminated "under a cloud", but low level manual labourers and factory workers are often "laid off" without compensation.
From a British perspective it seems weird, and risky, if not actually exploitative, but it is perfectly normal in America and you quickly get used to it. It has never impacted me, thankfully.
From a British perspective it seems weird, and risky, if not actually exploitative, but it is perfectly normal in America and you quickly get used to it. It has never impacted me, thankfully.
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I believe others have managed to negotiate at least a contribution towards repatriation costs. That would be my main concern.
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Some visas specify that repatriation costs must be covered by the employer if/when the employment ends.
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It works the other way as well, the employee is able to terminate their employment without notice and without reason.
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My husband is soon to look for work in NYC - he is currently Upper Management level in Risk Management with a roving brief covering Capital Adequacy and financial regulation in-house at a financial institution and has his New York Bar so is qualified to work in NY state. His experience should see him be quite employable in a growing sector. Anyone know of similarly well positioned people able to negotiate good deals with a US company? Thank you
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Hi - regarding negotiating on employment contracts - is it anyone's experience that people can negotiate longer termination agreements? Husband's current job wants him to sign a 1 year's notice termination clause which if we weren't planning a move to the States would be desirable to us in terms of security and peace of mind - especially in a new country. My question is - I know about the difference in Employment law in the States - but is it possible to negotiate 3 months or more notice either side still over there, to give a bit more security?
My husband is soon to look for work in NYC - he is currently Upper Management level in Risk Management with a roving brief covering Capital Adequacy and financial regulation in-house at a financial institution and has his New York Bar so is qualified to work in NY state. His experience should see him be quite employable in a growing sector. Anyone know of similarly well positioned people able to negotiate good deals with a US company? .... Thank you
My husband is soon to look for work in NYC - he is currently Upper Management level in Risk Management with a roving brief covering Capital Adequacy and financial regulation in-house at a financial institution and has his New York Bar so is qualified to work in NY state. His experience should see him be quite employable in a growing sector. Anyone know of similarly well positioned people able to negotiate good deals with a US company? .... Thank you
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Re: Employment offer 'At will' wordings
His experience should see him be quite employable in a growing sector.
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Dear both - thanks so much for those replies. That's very helpful. I guess more money is equal to notice period in terms of security. I must search the forum for more info on obtaining a Green Card as that's something he'll need to negotiate too.
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Also generally your healthcare is covered until the end of the month in which your employment terminates. From my experience I have only seen contracts for people at ELT level. VP and below are generally on "at will" employment. this is normally mentioned in the offer letter. This letter does not normally constitute a contract.
The termination package can vary depending on the current HR policy, and can be changed at any time. Some companies may make exceptions for individuals, but many will not as it creates potentially unforeseen liabilities. There is no legal requirement in my State to be paid any compensation when getting laid off. Most will pay 1 week for every year worked up to a stated maximum. This is only paid if you sign a waiver. Employers also do not generally pay out unused vacations unless it is "earned" vacation.
The termination package can vary depending on the current HR policy, and can be changed at any time. Some companies may make exceptions for individuals, but many will not as it creates potentially unforeseen liabilities. There is no legal requirement in my State to be paid any compensation when getting laid off. Most will pay 1 week for every year worked up to a stated maximum. This is only paid if you sign a waiver. Employers also do not generally pay out unused vacations unless it is "earned" vacation.
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OK thanks - we'll have to see what can be negotiated or whether we can just put money aside for the equivalent of three months or so for our peace of mind.
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Financial advisors in the US usually recommend cash savings equivalent to six months of expenses (sometimes they say "income", but that is a bit optimistic) for a rainy day.
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Well that's a big ask, but once we stop paying for UK private schools it won't be as impossible as it would be right now! Thank you.