Thydney

Making a valid point.

Are you Oldvirus's body guard? I thought you were head of the Coffin dodgers network.

Kate2112

Definately the former and a large dose of the latter for good measure

BigDavyG

I know that - read back over the thread
Marriage was not created with same sex couples in mind - Elvira inadvertently admitted as much in the post you have quoted - which was my original point.

Have I missed something or do you wish to retract your statement and hence retain at least some credibility ???

BigDavyG

Just to point out to people who apparently regard themselves as intelligent.....I have you on ignore, therefore I cannot see what you post, so why waste your time........oh that's right - you have nothing better to do.

Manc

Correct..........but that was back in a time when homosexuality basically resulted in people being stoned to death, slavery, gladiators, christians being fed to lions, you know, back in the stone - middle ages and things like that.

we can move on from that I feel.

snowbunny

She is an absolute witch. If she were more intelligent she could tag-team with Ann Coulter.

Kate2112

Commenting on your half assed posts is never a waste of time Your posts however are just that. Move on caveboy

Leslie

Let's be perfectly clear about what we are discussing here. Nobody here is expecting any church or churches to change their policies about same sex marriages. There is a constitutional separation of church and state in this country - and that works both way. The government needs to stay away from church policy and the church needs to stay away from law making.

The fact that marriage was created for guaranteeing bloodlines and the marital bondage of women to men - does not mean that is how it fits into society today.

Marriage may still be a religious bond for many people - but it is a legal contract for just as many.

Couples today (gay or straight) can easily cohabitate and procreate without a marriage license. What they cannot do without a marriage license is legally protect the mother/father of their children as completely as a "married" couple.

FWIW - A simple religious ceremony is not recognized by US law as a "legal contract" a marriage is not a marriage until it is properly filed and accepted within our courts. So, times have changed, the outdated concept of marriage as a strictly "spiritual or religious" bond no longer applies.

It is a legal contract between two citizens. Excluding certain citizens from being able to use this type of contract - based solely on their sexual orientation - is discriminatory.

If churches choose not to perform same sex marriages - I say fine - and I don't think many gay couples are interested in changing any religious doctrine. But the legal system should never be allowed to exclude certain citizens from the rights and privileges afforded others.

Sarah

Just in.....the dems won Montana...so I think that equalizes The Senate...

snowbunny

Not without Virginia because the Veep can vote in case of a tied Senate.

Have they announced VA?

jen_andreson

and Rumsfeld has just resigned!! Breaking news on CNN...

Leslie

That is simply amazing.

snowbunny

Now if only Bush would follow suit.... and Cheney....

Leslie

Simply fantastic.

kingfisher241049

Really?? WOW!! Mr Bush is next one hopes