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Stirchley Sep 17th 2010 5:49 pm

Dual Nationality
 
Isn't it amazing for those of us with dual nationality - British and American, I mean? When you consider how many people are literally killing themselves trying to be an American or British citizen and we have citizenship of both countries. I count myself very lucky.

meauxna Sep 17th 2010 6:27 pm

Re: Dual Nationality
 
Well then, Happy Citizenship Day to you, too!

kimilseung Sep 17th 2010 6:34 pm

Re: Dual Nationality
 

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 8856037)
Isn't it amazing for those of us with dual nationality - British and American, I mean? When you consider how many people are literally killing themselves trying to be an American or British citizen and we have citizenship of both countries. I count myself very lucky.

Well kind of, but I do think back to when I was in Bangladesh during the gulf war, and I passed myself off as Irish (pointing to the 'Ireland' bit). the alternative avaliable to me, now that I have eligiblity for a US passport, would just make things worse.

UK and US passports the best and the worst passports to have.

lansbury Sep 17th 2010 6:47 pm

Re: Dual Nationality
 

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 8856037)
Isn't it amazing for those of us with dual nationality - British and American, I mean? When you consider how many people are literally killing themselves trying to be an American or British citizen and we have citizenship of both countries. I count myself very lucky.

+1

Stirchley Sep 17th 2010 7:03 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 8856108)
UK and US passports the best and the worst passports to have.

How so?

kimilseung Sep 17th 2010 7:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 8856163)
How so?

best: ability to live in two economically advanced and political/socialy liberal countries. Ease of visa for most countries.

worst: not liked by many countries, top of the kidnap list in some places.

Scott33 Sep 17th 2010 10:08 pm

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I too consider it a great privilege, though 50% of it was hard earned.

There is also the other side of me that sees it as my dirty little secret, as it is often met by some quite surprising remarks by others if (on the rare occasion these days) I mention it in public. You know, the usual "you should pick on or the other", "you should have been made to give back your UK passport when you left the UK", or the worst, and probably the most common "well, I don't think that is right!"

The concept of dual nationality baffles a lot of people, but apparently pisses off a lot more.

MikeyT Sep 17th 2010 10:38 pm

Re: Dual Nationality
 

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 8856037)
Isn't it amazing for those of us with dual nationality - British and American, I mean? When you consider how many people are literally killing themselves trying to be an American or British citizen and we have citizenship of both countries. I count myself very lucky.

I second this - we're very lucky to have both. Lucky for the kids too who will be dual citizens by descent.

Giantaxe Sep 17th 2010 10:49 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 8856189)
best: ability to live in two economically advanced and political/socialy liberal countries. Ease of visa for most countries.

Even better, you can live anywhere in the EU. And according to a chart I saw in the Economist, UK citizens can travel visa-free to more countries than passport holders of any other country.

Stirchley Sep 17th 2010 11:21 pm

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 8856189)
top of the kidnap list in some places.

A few years ago DH was traveling on a train from Moscow to Warsaw. When the train stopped in Belarus the officials who came onboard went mental when they saw his American passport. The train was delayed for a long time while they went through all his belongings. He told me that I would have been very scared if I had been on that train.

benblaney Sep 18th 2010 4:03 am

Re: Dual Nationality
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 8856189)
best: ability to live in two economically advanced and political/socialy liberal countries. Ease of visa for most countries.

worst: not liked by many countries, top of the kidnap list in some places.

The former massively outweighs the latter, particularly given that if you're in the latter situation you should have appropriate security detail, or be accepting of the risks.

Ozzidoc Sep 19th 2010 1:11 am

Re: Dual Nationality
 

Originally Posted by Stirchley (Post 8856037)
Isn't it amazing for those of us with dual nationality - British and American, I mean? When you consider how many people are literally killing themselves trying to be an American or British citizen and we have citizenship of both countries. I count myself very lucky.

And then there's those with triple or more nationalities :)

benblaney Sep 19th 2010 1:32 am

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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc (Post 8858565)
And then there's those with triple or more nationalities :)

Good point. I know a guy with three nationalities.

So, that raises a question: if British and American are the two best to have, what would be the third?

Qatari by birth would give some level of income, which would be nice. Australian would be a great place to have the right to live.

Another other thoughts?

nun Sep 19th 2010 5:34 am

Re: Dual Nationality
 

Originally Posted by benblaney (Post 8858580)
Good point. I know a guy with three nationalities.

So, that raises a question: if British and American are the two best to have, what would be the third?

Qatari by birth would give some level of income, which would be nice. Australian would be a great place to have the right to live.

Another other thoughts?

I have UK and US citizenship,but I'm increasingly unsatisfied with any nationality.
I see nation states as a very 19th Century construction and define myself locally rather than globally. If I could get by without a passport I would! If I had to describe myself it now it would be as as a Bostonian or as a socialist libertarian Yorkshireman. Cleaving to any particular nation gives me the willies.

benblaney Sep 19th 2010 1:30 pm

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Originally Posted by nun (Post 8858748)
I have UK and US citizenship,but I'm increasingly unsatisfied with any nationality.
I see nation states as a very 19th Century construction and define myself locally rather than globally. If I could get by without a passport I would! If I had to describe myself it now it would be as as a Bostonian or as a socialist libertarian Yorkshireman. Cleaving to any particular nation gives me the willies.

Actually, I'm totally with you. If we allow the free movement of capital, it follows that we should allow the free movement of labor.


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