Dual Citizneship - - Security Clearance
Apr 15th 2010, 4:47 pm
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Re: Dual Citizneship - - Security Clearance
DOE clearances....
1. Polygraph is always an option: before, during, after. Experiences vary. Agents will travel to interview anyone of relevance for as far back in your history as it takes.
2. See benblaney's response. I will add nothing.
3. Typically, unclassified work is given. Processing takes anything from a few weeks to many years. Processing is not directly in the hands of the employer - switching to another DOE employer will not help.
4. Citizenship issues are on a case by case basis. There are clear ways of shooting yourself in the foot. However, I feel it inappropriate for me to comment in more detail.
A typical cost to the employer for the process: $60k. That should tell you something.
1. Polygraph is always an option: before, during, after. Experiences vary. Agents will travel to interview anyone of relevance for as far back in your history as it takes.
2. See benblaney's response. I will add nothing.
3. Typically, unclassified work is given. Processing takes anything from a few weeks to many years. Processing is not directly in the hands of the employer - switching to another DOE employer will not help.
4. Citizenship issues are on a case by case basis. There are clear ways of shooting yourself in the foot. However, I feel it inappropriate for me to comment in more detail.
A typical cost to the employer for the process: $60k. That should tell you something.
Apr 15th 2010, 6:31 pm
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Re: Dual Citizneship - - Security Clearance
I'm glad to hear from others that it seems things are a not necessarily easier but not necessarily as "black and white/yes or no". Since we do hear from a number of folks on this board asking about clearances from time to time perhaps there is some hope for some of them.
Most of the clearances I've been involved in have been not for a specific project or a specific weapon system, but for a general US national security policy, mainly in the political world and sometimes the national security policy bureaucracy. In this realm, it's very rare to even have a foreign national employed (nearly everyone is a US government employee and US citizen) and for some of the positions things such as a foreign-born wife or extensive international family connections would render you highly suspect. Then there is "Yankee White" to use the popular (and maybe false) nickname, which is a pretty extreme level to say the least. I've been interviewed twice for people with positions basically at this level (not me, but former colleague and a high school classmate). Those were pretty extensive questions. The guy who carries the "Football" has to be Yankee White cleared as well.
Thanks again for all the replies.
Most of the clearances I've been involved in have been not for a specific project or a specific weapon system, but for a general US national security policy, mainly in the political world and sometimes the national security policy bureaucracy. In this realm, it's very rare to even have a foreign national employed (nearly everyone is a US government employee and US citizen) and for some of the positions things such as a foreign-born wife or extensive international family connections would render you highly suspect. Then there is "Yankee White" to use the popular (and maybe false) nickname, which is a pretty extreme level to say the least. I've been interviewed twice for people with positions basically at this level (not me, but former colleague and a high school classmate). Those were pretty extensive questions. The guy who carries the "Football" has to be Yankee White cleared as well.
Thanks again for all the replies.
Chief Advisor - Karl Rove
Attorney General - Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security - Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon's Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff - "Scooter" Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff - Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs - Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department - Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) - Robert Zoellick
Pentagon's Defense Policy Board - James Schlesinger
UN Representative - John Bolton
Henry Kissinger was in the Nixon/Ford administration.
Under Obama is Rahm Emanuel.
Under Carter was Zbigniew Brzezinski.
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Apr 15th 2010, 10:33 pm
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Re: Dual Citizneship - - Security Clearance
Cool list. Thanks for posting that.
It seems some of them are probably Israeli covered under the Law of Return (though I wonder how many have actually used an Israeli passport or even have one). I know Rahm Emanuel probably has given his military service. I don't know the full details of the Law of Return though. While all Jews are eligible for citizenship I thought they had to actually settle in Israel to get it?
I also wonder how many have been naturalized, i.e. US citizenship came second? Kissinger and Brzezinski were foreign born but not sure how many others.
On a more general point, and perhaps some might know, I was under the impression when I was interviewed on behalf of some of my friends that anything I said was available to be reviewed by the applicant under privacy laws / right of the applicant, etc. It's been a good number of years since I've been interviewed but I was wondering if that is still the case.
It seems some of them are probably Israeli covered under the Law of Return (though I wonder how many have actually used an Israeli passport or even have one). I know Rahm Emanuel probably has given his military service. I don't know the full details of the Law of Return though. While all Jews are eligible for citizenship I thought they had to actually settle in Israel to get it?
I also wonder how many have been naturalized, i.e. US citizenship came second? Kissinger and Brzezinski were foreign born but not sure how many others.
On a more general point, and perhaps some might know, I was under the impression when I was interviewed on behalf of some of my friends that anything I said was available to be reviewed by the applicant under privacy laws / right of the applicant, etc. It's been a good number of years since I've been interviewed but I was wondering if that is still the case.
Apr 15th 2010, 10:57 pm
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Re: Dual Citizneship - - Security Clearance
Cool list. Thanks for posting that.
It seems some of them are probably Israeli covered under the Law of Return (though I wonder how many have actually used an Israeli passport or even have one). I know Rahm Emanuel probably has given his military service. I don't know the full details of the Law of Return though. While all Jews are eligible for citizenship I thought they had to actually settle in Israel to get it?
I also wonder how many have been naturalized, i.e. US citizenship came second? Kissinger and Brzezinski were foreign born but not sure how many others.
On a more general point, and perhaps some might know, I was under the impression when I was interviewed on behalf of some of my friends that anything I said was available to be reviewed by the applicant under privacy laws / right of the applicant, etc. It's been a good number of years since I've been interviewed but I was wondering if that is still the case.
It seems some of them are probably Israeli covered under the Law of Return (though I wonder how many have actually used an Israeli passport or even have one). I know Rahm Emanuel probably has given his military service. I don't know the full details of the Law of Return though. While all Jews are eligible for citizenship I thought they had to actually settle in Israel to get it?
I also wonder how many have been naturalized, i.e. US citizenship came second? Kissinger and Brzezinski were foreign born but not sure how many others.
On a more general point, and perhaps some might know, I was under the impression when I was interviewed on behalf of some of my friends that anything I said was available to be reviewed by the applicant under privacy laws / right of the applicant, etc. It's been a good number of years since I've been interviewed but I was wondering if that is still the case.
Many complained about that because most if not all are also neo-cons.
I'm not sure if any of them were foreign born other than the ones you mentioned.
Apr 15th 2010, 11:54 pm
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Apr 16th 2010, 6:25 am
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Re: Dual Citizneship - - Security Clearance
Apr 16th 2010, 2:15 pm
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Re: Dual Citizneship - - Security Clearance
My Son is an Officer in the US Army he was born in UK but has US Father, had always had both passports. When he joined they asked him if he had a foreign passport at the time his UK one had expired so he said no. He has a TS clearance.
