Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Hi,
I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something – but the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. Cheers. |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:43:31 +0000, Mike Garnett wrote:
> Hi, > > I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a > US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid > ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is > OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can > provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We > have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. > > Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something – but > the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. > > Cheers. There recently was a lawsuit challenging the SSA's policy of not issuing SSNs for the purpose of getting a Driver's license. To my knowledge, it was in resolved in favor of the plaintiffs (people like your wife). It was decided on a technicality, though, so the SSA will probably reimplement this policy at some point in the future, this time following proper procedures. So you may now again be able to get an SSN. I don't think the case was a class action lawsuit, so it won't directly benefit you, but at least you can point to this decision. Ingo |
The law suit in question was a class action suit
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Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Thanks for the info Ingo - an SSN would certainly get us past that hurdle.
What I am wondering is if the latest lock downs by VA have actually excluded someone in my wife's position from presenting the two forms of ID that are listed on the dmv web site (http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...rs/idproof.asp). From my limited knowledge I cannot see an additional form of ID (other than her passport) that she would be able to present. The SSA did provide a letter to the DMV stating that she was not eligible for a SSN & the DMV accepted that, but still insist on the two forms of ID. Many thanks again for the info. "Ingo Pakleppa" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:43:31 +0000, Mike Garnett wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a > > US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid > > ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is > > OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can > > provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We > > have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. > > > > Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something - but > > the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. > > > > Cheers. > There recently was a lawsuit challenging the SSA's policy of not issuing > SSNs for the purpose of getting a Driver's license. To my knowledge, it > was in resolved in favor of the plaintiffs (people like your wife). It was > decided on a technicality, though, so the SSA will probably reimplement > this policy at some point in the future, this time following proper > procedures. > So you may now again be able to get an SSN. I don't think the case was a > class action lawsuit, so it won't directly benefit you, but at least you > can point to this decision. > Ingo |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Tricky. They meant to preclude tourists from getting driver's licenses,
but actually prevented H-4s, as well. I still do see one way: a US marriage license shows up on the secondary documents list. If you got married abroad, you should be able to get married a second time within the US, as long as it is to the same woman. On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:45:34 +0000, Mike G wrote: > Thanks for the info Ingo - an SSN would certainly get us past that hurdle. > What I am wondering is if the latest lock downs by VA have actually excluded > someone in my wife's position from presenting the two forms of ID that are > listed on the dmv web site > (http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...rs/idproof.asp). From my > limited knowledge I cannot see an additional form of ID (other than her > passport) that she would be able to present. The SSA did provide a letter to > the DMV stating that she was not eligible for a SSN & the DMV accepted that, > but still insist on the two forms of ID. > > Many thanks again for the info. > "Ingo Pakleppa" wrote in message > news:[email protected]... >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:43:31 +0000, Mike Garnett wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a >> > US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid >> > ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is >> > OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can >> > provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We >> > have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. >> > >> > Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something - but >> > the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. >> > >> > Cheers. >> There recently was a lawsuit challenging the SSA's policy of not issuing >> SSNs for the purpose of getting a Driver's license. To my knowledge, it >> was in resolved in favor of the plaintiffs (people like your wife). It was >> decided on a technicality, though, so the SSA will probably reimplement >> this policy at some point in the future, this time following proper >> procedures. >> So you may now again be able to get an SSN. I don't think the case was a >> class action lawsuit, so it won't directly benefit you, but at least you >> can point to this decision. >> Ingo |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
> I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a
> US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid > ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is > OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can > provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We > have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. > > Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something - but > the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. I got my VA license just before this updated list was put in effect, but a couple of collegues arrived from Europe after me and got in trouble. All on H1-B visas. The issue is probably not over the SSN, but other id. The resolution for my two collegues was to take _everything_ even remotely official looking from anywhere they ever lived and dump it in front of the DMV person not helping them. Hmm, if you get the wrong person this may be even worse. But basically, for most foreignors there isn't two ids on the list. Did you check the website? I (and several others) were asking questions about this back in January. If you want, I can probably dig out the contact for the person I emailed with at the time. Hanne |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
> Tricky. They meant to preclude tourists from getting driver's licenses, > but actually prevented H-4s, as well. According to the Va. DMV web site (http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...rs/idproof.asp), an "Unexpired foreign passport with an expired or unexpired visa, I-94 or I-94W or I-551 stamp." and "INS form I-797 (applicable only for individuals whose names appear on the form)." should be sufficient. I guess the question that remains is whether or not the names of H-4 holders appear on the H1-B holder's I-797. Thorsten |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:38:06 +0000, Hanne Gottliebsen wrote:
>> I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a >> US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid >> ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is >> OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can >> provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We >> have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. >> >> Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something - but >> the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. > > I got my VA license just before this updated list was put in effect, > but a couple of collegues arrived from Europe after me and got in > trouble. All on H1-B visas. The issue is probably not over the SSN, > but other id. The resolution for my two collegues was to take > _everything_ even remotely official looking from anywhere they ever > lived and dump it in front of the DMV person not helping them. Hmm, if > you get the wrong person this may be even worse. But basically, for > most foreignors there isn't two ids on the list. > > Did you check the website? I (and several others) were asking > questions about this back in January. If you want, I can probably dig > out the contact for the person I emailed with at the time. > > Hanne According to the published list, H-1Bs shouldn't have a problem because they can use the H-1B approval notice as second identification. H-4s would have a problem, though. |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:12:56 +0000, Thorsten wrote:
> Ingo Pakleppa wrote: >> Tricky. They meant to preclude tourists from getting driver's licenses, >> but actually prevented H-4s, as well. > > According to the Va. DMV web site > (http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...rs/idproof.asp), an > > "Unexpired foreign passport with an expired or unexpired visa, I-94 or > I-94W or I-551 stamp." > > and > > "INS form I-797 (applicable only for individuals whose names appear on > the form)." > > should be sufficient. I guess the question that remains is whether or > not the names of H-4 holders appear on the H1-B holder's I-797. > > Thorsten It doesn't - that's the problem. |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
It's just a thought, but is your wifes name on a Lease Agreement or your mortgage etc?
VA DMV will accept "Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement or residential rental/lease agreement" as proof of VA Residency. I'm in NC, and on a H4 visa. When I got my drivers license I took: Passport (with visa) Rental Agreement Letter from SSA stating I was not entitled to an SSN I797's for myself and hubby. Hope the above helps. Sue Originally posted by Mike Garnett Hi, I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something – but the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. Cheers. |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Thanks Hanne, the e-mail addres would be usful - I actually tried to e-mail
the DMV with the question but they ignored me - and if you call them they hang up on you with a recorded message of 'we've got too many calls to deal with' - jeeze, wonder why! Thanks, Mike "Hanne Gottliebsen" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a > > US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid > > ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is > > OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can > > provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We > > have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. > > > > Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something - but > > the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. > I got my VA license just before this updated list was put in effect, > but a couple of collegues arrived from Europe after me and got in > trouble. All on H1-B visas. The issue is probably not over the SSN, > but other id. The resolution for my two collegues was to take > _everything_ even remotely official looking from anywhere they ever > lived and dump it in front of the DMV person not helping them. Hmm, if > you get the wrong person this may be even worse. But basically, for > most foreignors there isn't two ids on the list. > Did you check the website? I (and several others) were asking > questions about this back in January. If you want, I can probably dig > out the contact for the person I emailed with at the time. > Hanne |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Thanks Ingo - that could be the only option at the moment, though one of the
directors at my company suggested getting our current marriage certificate 'legalized' at the embassy under the Hague Convention. Thanks for all the adivice though, appreciated ! "Ingo Pakleppa" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Tricky. They meant to preclude tourists from getting driver's licenses, > but actually prevented H-4s, as well. > I still do see one way: a US marriage license shows up on the secondary > documents list. If you got married abroad, you should be able to get > married a second time within the US, as long as it is to the same woman. > On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:45:34 +0000, Mike G wrote: > > Thanks for the info Ingo - an SSN would certainly get us past that hurdle. > > What I am wondering is if the latest lock downs by VA have actually excluded > > someone in my wife's position from presenting the two forms of ID that are > > listed on the dmv web site > > (http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...rs/idproof.asp). From my > > limited knowledge I cannot see an additional form of ID (other than her > > passport) that she would be able to present. The SSA did provide a letter to > > the DMV stating that she was not eligible for a SSN & the DMV accepted that, > > but still insist on the two forms of ID. > > > > Many thanks again for the info. > > "Ingo Pakleppa" wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:43:31 +0000, Mike Garnett wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a > >> > US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid > >> > ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is > >> > OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can > >> > provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. W e > >> > have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. > >> > > >> > Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something - but > >> > the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. > >> > > >> > Cheers. > >> > >> There recently was a lawsuit challenging the SSA's policy of not issuing > >> SSNs for the purpose of getting a Driver's license. To my knowledge, it > >> was in resolved in favor of the plaintiffs (people like your wife). It was > >> decided on a technicality, though, so the SSA will probably reimplement > >> this policy at some point in the future, this time following proper > >> procedures. > >> > >> So you may now again be able to get an SSN. I don't think the case was a > >> class action lawsuit, so it won't directly benefit you, but at least you > >> can point to this decision. > >> > >> Ingo > >> |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Hi Sue, good point - her name is on the mortgage, but we are getting stuck
on the forms of ID - they used to let you use a medical insurance card as proof of ID - but not anymore. Problem in VA is that they shut a lot of the DMV's down so you queue for about 3 hours only to get told to clear off by the really helpful person on the front desk - you can't even get to a real official and hope to point the issue out or at least negotiate for a little sanity ! "Sue" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > It's just a thought, but is your wifes name on a Lease Agreement or your > mortgage etc? > VA DMV will accept "Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement or > residential rental/lease agreement" as proof of VA Residency. > I'm in NC, and on a H4 visa. When I got my drivers license I took: > Passport (with visa) > Rental Agreement > Letter from SSA stating I was not entitled to an SSN > I797's for myself and hubby. > Hope the above helps. > Sue > Originally posted by Mike Garnett > > Hi, > > > > I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. My wife is trying to get a > > US drivers license and is on a H4B visa. However the 2 forms of valid > > ID the VA DMV accept would appear impossible, the foreign passport is > > OK, however we are at a loss as to what other proof of ID she can > > provide - DMV was completely unhelpful and just told us to go away. We > > have the temp tax IDs & proof from INS that she can't get a SSN. > > > > Any advice would be most welcome. Maybe we are missing something - but > > the list (it changed recently) does not seem to give us any options. > > > > > Cheers. > -- > Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
Re: Drivers License & H4B Visa in VA
Replied privately.
Anyways, the use of the I797 (or whatever it was) is new, that wasn't on the list last winter, so maybe all our complaining helped afterall. Hanne "Mike G" wrote in message news:... > Thanks Hanne, the e-mail addres would be usful - I actually tried to e-mail > the DMV with the question but they ignored me - and if you call them they > hang up on you with a recorded message of 'we've got too many calls to deal > with' - jeeze, wonder why! > > Thanks, Mike |
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