lairdside

I don't know about PA but as they claim that it is a Federal prohibition you would *think* that it would apply to other states too.

I was issued a DL with an EAD in Feb 2002 with no problems here in NV. My daughter was also issued a state ID with her EAD and no SSN - that was last friday (06/20/2003).

When I presented the EAD for my daughter as proof of ID and immigration status the lady's response was "That's perfect!"

I thought that the ID my daughter received may have an expiry date to match that on the EAD but when I looked it doesn't have one - just says " Under 18 Until 08-04-2009".

My DL is valid until 01-25-2006.

Sorry to hear that you are having a hard time

catswhiskers

Denis

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:28:11 +0000, catswhiskers
wrote:


    >> Well I can assure you this is purely for US residents that have out of
    >> state licenses that move to PA. They have to change their address and
    >> get issued with a new license. If you are a UK citizen you have a
    >> year to drive on that license. Once you have your SSN however, you
    >> can take the US driving test. I have no reason to question what I
    >> have been told by the exam office at PA state and what I have read on
    >> the BCIS and other websites.

Well, I hope for your sake, that if you get stopped the Policeman
shares your view. I remember someone posting here a while back who got
a very heavy fine for doing exactly what you are proposing to do.

Good Luck.

Regards
--
Denis

Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.

ukemigrant

I posted this a while back - I've edited it for this post:

PA driving/ID forms doc link:

See https://www.dot3.state.pa.us/pdotforms/misc/Pub_195.pdf for full details. Quoting from it:

"Non-U.S. Citizens are defined as Immigrants (Resident
Aliens), Non-Immigrants (Non-U.S. Citizens granted
temporary entry into the U.S.), Refugees and Asylees.
If you hold a valid driver’s license from France or Germany
you may transfer your valid driver’s license to a PA Non-
Commercial Driver’s License.
If you hold a valid driver’s license from a Canadian
province or territory you may transfer a valid noncommercial
driver’s license to a PA Non-Commercial
Driver’s License and a valid CDL to a PA CDL.
If you hold a valid foreign driver’s license with a valid
International Driving Permit you may drive up to one year
in Pennsylvania before obtaining a PA Driver’s License.
Pennsylvania law requires Non-U.S. Citizens to provide a
Social Security number unless you have written
documentation from the Social Security Administration that
you are not eligible for the number. If this is the case, you
must obtain a tax identification number from the Internal
Revenue Service (IRS)."

There is also a section before this saying:

"New residents of Pennsylvania who hold a valid driver’s
license from another state in the United States must get a
Pennsylvania Driver’s License within 60 days after moving
to PA and surrender their out-of-state driver’s license and/
or ID card."

*** but there is nothing in the document to say that one condition overrides the other ***

Personally I've been driving since Dec 2002 now and am planning on continuing until near Dec 2003, on a UK license. Note you only need an International Drivers Permit if your own one is not printed in English.

Sam.

Mrtravel

catswhiskers wrote:
    > I have just looked on line and it says everywhere that you are allowed
    > to drive for up to one year on a UK license. I have no idea where you
    > come from.

That is part of international treaty if you are visiting another
country. Setting up permanent residence doesn't give you the same right.

catswhiskers

Well I think I'll take the advice of the PA State DVS officer I spoke to and what they have on line. The point is here that none of you actually know what the law is so I guess I will take advice from the "horses mouth" so to speak.

Setting up residence is treated exactly the same way, and until I become a US citizen, I am still a British citizen and can drive on my UK license for a year if I want to. That doesn't mean to say that as soon as I get my SSN I won't apply for a PA license because I will.

Mrtravel

catswhiskers wrote:
    > Well I think I'll take the advice of the PA State DVS officer I spoke to
    > and what they have on line. The point is here that none of you actually
    > know what the law is so I guess I will take advice from the "horses
    > mouth" so to speak.


I agree, although I haven't found the exact law, everything I have seen
so far indicates that PA, UNLIKE many other states, does permit resident
with valid foreign licenses to drive on them for up to one year.

Additionally, House Bill 152 (2002) made interesting immigration related
changes to the PA Vehicle code.
Go here http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI...B0152P4693.HTM
Read the changes to section 1506 "Noncitizen application" and 1510
"Issuance and Content of Driver's License'



    >
    > Setting up residence is treated exactly the same way, and until I become
    > a US citizen, I am still a British citizen and can drive on my UK
    > license for a year if I want to. That doesn't mean to say that as soon
    > as I get my SSN I won't apply for a PA license because I will.

ukemigrant

Meooowww!! Bit of harsh one that kitty. Just out of interest, what did the horse's mouth have to say?

Sam.

Quote:

A voice answered back, louder than a thousand rock concerts, with words which seemed to stretch from pole to pole, from the lowest hell to the highest heaven:

"I AM HELLO KITTY, DESTROYER OF WORLDS!"

Marjeta

You will have to wait until you get a different BCIS document (such as EAD). That is what I had to do. DMVs want a document that shows you are legally present for more than what the I-94 shows.

katesuiter1

I was more or less told this in Florida. They said I had to have 30 or more left on my I-94. I didn't at the time, so I was told to wait til I had my 1 yr EAD. I took my test 2 days after I got my new EAD, and didn't have any hassles whatsoever. They also told me that I could only drive for 10 days on my UK license in Florida, which to me didn't sound right, but I never bothered to follow up on it.
Kate. xxxxxx

Denis

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:47:14 +0000, katesuiter1
wrote:

    >Originally posted by Marjeta
    >> You will have to wait until you get a different BCIS document (such as
    >> EAD). That is what I had to do. DMVs want a document that shows you
    >> are legally present for more than what the I-94 shows.
    >I was more or less told this in Florida. They said I had to have 30 or
    >more left on my I-94. I didn't at the time, so I was told to wait til I
    >had my 1 yr EAD. I took my test 2 days after I got my new EAD, and
    >didn't have any hassles whatsoever. They also told me that I could only
    >drive for 10 days on my UK license in Florida, which to me didn't sound
    >right, but I never bothered to follow up on it.
    >Kate. xxxxxx

Better keep quiet about that, there are people here who don't want to
hear things like that! :-)

--
Denis

Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Mrtravel

Denis wrote:
    > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:47:14 +0000, katesuiter1
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Originally posted by Marjeta
    >>>You will have to wait until you get a different BCIS document (such as
    >>>EAD). That is what I had to do. DMVs want a document that shows you
    >>>are legally present for more than what the I-94 shows.
    >>I was more or less told this in Florida. They said I had to have 30 or
    >>more left on my I-94. I didn't at the time, so I was told to wait til I
    >>had my 1 yr EAD. I took my test 2 days after I got my new EAD, and
    >>didn't have any hassles whatsoever. They also told me that I could only
    >>drive for 10 days on my UK license in Florida, which to me didn't sound
    >>right, but I never bothered to follow up on it.
    >>Kate. xxxxxx
    >
    >
    > Better keep quiet about that, there are people here who don't want to
    > hear things like that! :-)

It might be true in Florida, but it isn't in PA. Laws very by state.
Until I read the PA information, I didn't believe that PA lets PA
residents drive on foreign licenses for up to a year, but it does say that.