sir_eccles

DREAM Act blocked in Senate

Can't let those damned furriners do learning.

Any thoughts on the failure of this Act? I haven't been following it as closely as I wanted.

avanutria

I'd like to know how many of the "no" voters had ancestors who came to this country as immigrant children.

Oregon4now

Don't you mean as children who have illegal status because they were brought over by their Parent who could or would not do it the proper way but chose to be in the country illegally ? One should really not confuse the two when making such statements.
We had an amnesty in 1986.. IT DOES NOT WORK !

scrubbedexpat097

The kids had no say in how they came here.

If they have completed further education, served in the military and passed a criminal background check then I think they deserve to be legal.

Oregon4now

I agree Sugarmooma.

But the Dream act itself was a slap in the face to many US residents trying to attend a College out of State.
There are already Paths to citizenship available in the Military.
I agree it needs to be addressed but not the DREAM ACT way.

Elvira

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.


I'm a lapsed Christian at best, but would subscribe to this.

fatbrit

There are certainly paths to citizenship in the military. But, generally, only for those who already hold green cards.

There are NO paths via the military for the group that the Dream Act would cover.

fatbrit

So how would you address it?

We have a large group of people already here who are Americans in all but paperwork: they have known no other country or customs, and have been brought up as Americans. The Dream Act addressed these people.

Brit3964

That is the heart of the matter. We don't hold a 2 year old accountable for their actions so why should we do it with kids of illegal immigrants?

Those who say No Amnesty don't appear to realize the situation fully. The DREAM Act is not an amnesty, never has been. It's a sad day for these kids whose only crime was to be born in the wrong place.

Michael

It only failed because of the republicans. The initial bill placed severe sanctions on employers that hired illegal aliens without making a reasonable attempt to certify that they were legal. The bill also proposed a high quota for seasonal worker.

The Chamber of Commerce, the farm lobby, and therefore the republican party opposed the sanctions until it was watered down to the point of making penalties against employers non enforceable.

How is it that Switzerland can have negligible problems with illegal aliens with 18% of its workforce as guest workers but the US can't? The only conclusion that can be drawn is that the greed of corporations (cheap labor) caused immigration reform to fail.

Oregon4now

Just my opinion,
According to what I have read, this is it in a nutshell in regards to the Children.

The Child, has until the age of 16 to attend a public school before they no longer qualify. ( You can be 14/15/16 when you come over )
Then the Adult has until age 29 to take advantage of it and file.

I can easily predict the massive influx of more Illegal's coming over simply for this advantage alone, I mean it is basically an open door policy under the guise of " But it's for the Children " Been there, done that ... How about lets take care of the current unemployment and economy first. We can help other's with their Dream after we Take care of our own Current Nightmare.
Just my own ( R ) opinion
Happy Holidays.

Just Jenney

You don't understand the DREAM Act, then.

Will the DREAM Act be an incentive for other students to come to the country?

The DREAM Act offers absolutely NO incentive for undocumented people to enter the country. It provides zero benefit for immigrants who are not already here. In fact, it requires students to have come to the U.S. as children and at least 5 years before the time of enactment.

~ Jenney

fatbrit

Even opinions should be based on facts, not just pulled out of your backside.

Oregon4now

You should take some of your own advice !



The DREAM Act is written to maximize the number of illegal aliens who are shielded from immigration enforcement, period. Its educational and character trappings are so minimal as to be pretextual.
Every illegal alien who applies for what is known as "conditional legal status" is immunized from any fear of deportation for ten years. The threshold for qualifying for conditional legal status is extraordinarily lax. An illegal alien can have a criminal record and still qualify, as long as the time served for an aggregate of three non-felony offenses is under 90 days. (The current version of the bill, S. 3992, is a masterpiece of legalistic obfuscation on this count.) In Los Angeles (and undoubtedly elsewhere), jail overcrowding (significantly due to illegal-alien criminals) is such that prosecutors and courts routinely plea-bargain felonies down to misdemeanors and sentence property crimes and even some violent offenses to time served in jail while awaiting a plea bargain. Thus, one can have quite a history of offenses without crossing the DREAM Act threshold for criminal ineligibility.

Drunk drivers and drug dealers could also qualify for conditional legal status, so long as they have routinely pled down.

Even if a judge has previously ordered an alien deported on criminal grounds and the alien ignored the deportation order, he may still qualify for conditional legal status if he received the deportation order before he was 16.

The education requirements in a bill purportedly about rewarding educational achievement are also ridiculously minimal. High school drop-outs qualify for conditional legal status, so long as they have obtained a no-brainer GED at some point.

Once granted conditional legal status, an alien is shielded from any enforcement proceedings for ten years, gaining the right to drive, work, and travel internationally, as if he had entered the country legally.

To convert conditional legal status to permanent legal status, the illegal alien needs at most to have completed two years worth of college credits over ten years. He need not have earned a bachelor's degree, nor have maintained a high GPA. He could have spent five years in remedial classes and the next five accumulating a year's worth of credits in Chicano/a studies. But even that minimal educational standard is waivable. If the illegal alien shows "compelling circumstances" for not accumulating two years worth of credits or if removal would cause "extremely unusual hardship" to the alien or his family, he can still be granted permanent legal status.

The DREAM Act is not about creating an incentive for, or rewarding, high educational achievement. It is about trying to extend an amnesty to as many illegal aliens as possible, who will then have the ability to legalize their family members.

Read up... http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3992/show

fatbrit

Summarize the article in ten sentences or less in your own words. I'm not doing a critical response on all the nut ball websites you manage to stumble across. You may provide a link for background reading if you wish.