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Rete Feb 23rd 2007 1:11 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by TruBrit (Post 4443604)
but peeps do that here all the time so i've noticed...i've never met anyone who's said they are american without adding that they are 1/4 english 1/4 irish etc etc :confused:


You have to meet me then :thumbup:

another bloody yank Feb 23rd 2007 1:19 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 
For gods sake, some of you need to remove the rod from your rectum, have a green beer (although I prefer mine stout and untinted)and relax.

I know if some country had a day of celebration where "everyone was an American" (I know, hell would freeze:rofl: ) I would take it as a bit of a compliment. And as for people claiming various ancestries, that is a part of culture that I'm not sure I can explain without a little more time to think about it. It is sad that some get offended though.

spuggy Feb 23rd 2007 1:28 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by another bloody yank (Post 4445895)
. And as for people claiming various ancestries, that is a part of culture that I'm not sure I can explain without a little more time to think about it. It is sad that some get offended though.


It isn't offensive, it is just, well a bit odd to say the least. It is one thing to mention heritage but claiming a nationality is another thing. My hertiage goes back to Norway and Scotland but I am not Norwegian or Scottish. Are you telling me if you visited or lived in africa, russia, ireland, france, or whatever and someone told you they were american it wouldn't come across as strange?

another bloody yank Feb 23rd 2007 1:57 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by spuggy (Post 4445926)
It isn't offensive, it is just, well a bit odd to say the least. It is one thing to mention heritage but claiming a nationality is another thing. My hertiage goes back to Norway and Scotland but I am not Norwegian or Scottish. Are you telling me if you visited or lived in africa, russia, ireland, france, or whatever and someone told you they were american it wouldn't come across as strange?

I would guess that most aren't trying to claim an actual nationality but as you say, a heritage. In common conversation someone might say"I'm half Italian, half Irish." Of course they are going to look confused when you ask what town in Ireland, their descendants probably came over at the time of the potato famine! What they mean is their ancestors are Italian and Irish. It's so common to be mixture of many "nationalities" here that people have just shortened it to "I'm xxx." Instead of "My ancestors emigrated from xxx." It's just kind of taken for granted that that's the case.

Everyone in the U.S. either came from somewhere else themselves or is descended from immigrants. It's what links us, we all came from somwhere else at some point. I knew this would be difficult to explain!

spuggy Feb 23rd 2007 2:01 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by another bloody yank (Post 4446023)
I would guess that most aren't trying to claim an actual nationality but as you say, a heritage. In common conversation someone might say"I'm half Italian, half Irish."
Everyone in the U.S. either came from somewhere else themselves or is descended from immigrants. It's what links us, we all came from somwhere else at some point. I knew this would be difficult to explain!

Someone saying they have irish or part irish heritage is vastly different than claiming a nationality and you know it.

well can't stay and play, have work to do, time to quit being amused on the net, swirch off and tune out.
see ya later.

another bloody yank Feb 23rd 2007 2:45 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 
[QUOTE=spuggy;4446043]Someone saying they have irish or part irish heritage is vastly different than claiming a nationality and you know it./QUOTE]

Of course! If someone is claiming to actually be Irish or anything else and not was not born in that country but perhaps has never even been there then that person has a screw loose.

elfman Feb 23rd 2007 5:03 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by Tbag (Post 4443719)
That is so true and actually a bit of a pet peeve of mine! :)
I still try not to give a really vague, here we go again look, when someone tells me how there family is British Irish etc..... and when you ask where from?
It's usually a story of how they traced back the family tree to Uk descent.
I suppose I should be pleased at there wanting to be little bit Euro, but it get's so old after years and years of it :rolleyes:

Bloke came to our house a couple of years ago to give us a quote for new windows. After talking to him for about two minutes and noticing his broad NJ accent he then said to me "hey, are you English? I'm English too!" I then asked him which part of England he was from and he replied "oh, I've never been there, I'm Jersey born and raised, but one of my grandfathers was born in England". Then he gave me his business card and his name was something like "Vito Spaghettini". Well, I thought, you can't get more anglo saxon than that.

britvic Feb 23rd 2007 5:41 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by elfman (Post 4446593)
Bloke came to our house a couple of years ago to give us a quote for new windows. After talking to him for about two minutes and noticing his broad NJ accent he then said to me "hey, are you English? I'm English too!" I then asked him which part of England he was from and he replied "oh, I've never been there, I'm Jersey born and raised, but one of my grandfathers was born in England". Then he gave me his business card and his name was something like "Vito Spaghettini". Well, I thought, you can't get more anglo saxon than that.

Twat :rolleyes: the patter these sales men come out with :sneaky: did you get your windows off him then ?

elfman Feb 23rd 2007 5:46 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by britvic (Post 4446782)
Twat :rolleyes: the patter these sales men come out with :sneaky: did you get your windows off him then ?

er no, we went with Pella. It also didn't help that virtually the first thing he said to me was "this is a cute neighbourhood - I've lived my whole life in this area and never even heard of this place". oookaay

britvic Feb 23rd 2007 5:53 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by elfman (Post 4446804)
er no, we went with Pella. It also didn't help that virtually the first thing he said to me was "this is a cute neighbourhood - I've lived my whole life in this area and never even heard of this place". oookaay

Dont you just want to punch them on the nose, daft f**king Twat thats what I say :rolleyes:

Maz Feb 23rd 2007 9:42 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by Molly Malone (Post 4443721)
Posted by Silly Sod thinking I was using my account rather than Mrs SIlly Sods. This could happen a lot.

Download Firefox and log in to IE and Firefox under the two different names (one name for each browser, I mean). Then you just have to remember which browser to open, to post under which name. Simple really. :p

Molly Malone Feb 23rd 2007 10:56 pm

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by Maz (Post 4447588)
Download Firefox and log in to IE and Firefox under the two different names (one name for each browser, I mean). Then you just have to remember which browser to open, to post under which name. Simple really. :p

Ooh, great idea! Right now we're just reminding each other to log out before we close the browser window. But it's easy to forget to!

Bob Feb 24th 2007 12:19 am

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by Molly Malone (Post 4447828)
Ooh, great idea! Right now we're just reminding each other to log out before we close the browser window. But it's easy to forget to!

could always set it to not remember log in, that way after a few mins of not having the site open, you have to log in...

Molly Malone Feb 24th 2007 12:24 am

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by another bloody yank (Post 4446023)
I would guess that most aren't trying to claim an actual nationality but as you say, a heritage. In common conversation someone might say"I'm half Italian, half Irish." Of course they are going to look confused when you ask what town in Ireland, their descendants probably came over at the time of the potato famine! What they mean is their ancestors are Italian and Irish. It's so common to be mixture of many "nationalities" here that people have just shortened it to "I'm xxx." Instead of "My ancestors emigrated from xxx." It's just kind of taken for granted that that's the case.

Everyone in the U.S. either came from somewhere else themselves or is descended from immigrants. It's what links us, we all came from somwhere else at some point. I knew this would be difficult to explain!

This is a big debate and may even be another thread in itself. I don't have a problem with americans saying - I am Irish American, or German American, or Dutch American etc. It just seems to me to be at odds with so many other aspects of 'being american'. On the one hand americans are taught to love america and that it is the greatest country in the world etc, then they spend their lives prefixing their americanism with the name of some far off nation they have never been too but have probably have dropped bombs onto (okay, perhaps harsh and uncalled for but not entirely untrue).

It seems to me that Americans can never be truly american until they drop the Irish, German, English, Scottish or whatever from before the word american. You can't be two things guys. You are either american or you are not. Nobody in the Uk says - I am scots english, I am african english, I am welsh scots and so forth (though americans living there might claim to be Irish American English ha ha). Anyway, I guess it is harmless. I just don't like Shamrock dish cloths or the sight of people wearing Guinness hoodies when they would gag at even a sip of the lovely black stuff.

Bleedin bloody bollox - I have done it again. sorry. Silly Sod. Such a silly sod!!!!

Rushman Feb 24th 2007 12:26 am

Re: Dreading my first Paddys Day
 

Originally Posted by cpe111 (Post 4443022)
Saint Patrick was Welsh anyway.

Cymru am byth

Theres an equal amount of evidence to suggest he was Welsh, Scottish and English


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