Does immigration cost jobs?
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
IT'S NOT MY FAULT!
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
You don't have a right to roads either do you, but where would society be without them? Healthcare is a part of the structure of a civilised society.
Don't call it a "right", call it whatever you want, but we need it
Lol- I got you before you thought twice and edited it
Don't call it a "right", call it whatever you want, but we need it
Lol- I got you before you thought twice and edited it
Last edited by chrisfromusa; May 16th 2010 at 5:01 pm.
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
We need roads, we need education, we need food, we need water. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we have a right to any of these things. Rights are free speech, freedom of assembly, freedom OF religion (not from), and the like. If you pay for it, it's not a right. A road is a good just like food. You need it, but you can't derive rights from it
Thats the point I was trying to make there..Roads, defense, mass transit, social security, police and fire protection, etc, etc, etc are not "rights" written into the American Constitution...We all know that..Alright?
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Ok, like I said..Lets not get caught up with the word "rights"
Thats the point I was trying to make there..Roads, defense, mass transit, social security, police and fire protection, etc, etc, etc are not "rights" written into the American Constitution...We all know that..Alright?
Thats the point I was trying to make there..Roads, defense, mass transit, social security, police and fire protection, etc, etc, etc are not "rights" written into the American Constitution...We all know that..Alright?
Forgot to add one thing, I saw pictures of Mexico and the U.S. before NAFTA was introduced, strangely enough, there were no border fences at the cities before then and Mexicans didn't come running across en masse like they do now either
Last edited by chrisfromusa; May 16th 2010 at 5:14 pm. Reason: Addition
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We need roads, we need education, we need food, we need water. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say we have a right to any of these things. Rights are free speech, freedom of assembly, freedom OF religion (not from), and the like. If you pay for it, it's not a right. A road is a good just like food. You need it, but you can't derive rights from it. Health care and roads and education only contribute to a civilized functioning society, they don't make a society civil and just, however
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Wel-fare
–noun
1.
the good fortune, health, happiness, prosperity, etc., of a person, group, or organization; well-being: to look after a child's welfare; the physical or moral welfare of society.
–noun
1.
the good fortune, health, happiness, prosperity, etc., of a person, group, or organization; well-being: to look after a child's welfare; the physical or moral welfare of society.
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I do believe I saw the word health in that there definition. If we all pay a little bit, then we all gain a lot in the way of universal care for all don't we? Doesn't that promote health, happiness and prosperity since a person would never have to worry about how to pay buckoo bucks for a doctor or test or worry about losing my house or going bankrupt if I'm unlucky enough to get sick? Therefore, doesn't that mean that access to healthcare is a right?
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I do believe I saw the word health in that there definition. If we all pay a little bit, then we all gain a lot in the way of universal care for all don't we? Doesn't that promote health, happiness and prosperity since a person would never have to worry about how to pay buckoo bucks for a doctor or test or worry about losing my house or going bankrupt if I'm unlucky enough to get sick? Therefore, doesn't that mean that access to healthcare is a right?
Last edited by chrisfromusa; May 17th 2010 at 2:17 am. Reason: Clarification, and spelling
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
I do believe I saw the word health in that there definition. If we all pay a little bit, then we all gain a lot in the way of universal care for all don't we? Doesn't that promote health, happiness and prosperity since a person would never have to worry about how to pay buckoo bucks for a doctor or test or worry about losing my house or going bankrupt if I'm unlucky enough to get sick? Therefore, doesn't that mean that access to healthcare is a right?
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Well what I was saying in the previous posts, wasn't about should all people or some have health care, I wanted to clarify that health care can never be a right (irrespective of your thoughts on it), because a right is not something that can be bought and sold. Like you can't buy freedom of speech, or can't buy the right to a speedy trial, etc. (unless your a slave but that point is moot nowadays anyway). You know what I mean? I'm not against you saying that we should have universal healthcare, I just don't feel that it should be called a right when in order to have it, you have to pay for it (either out of your pocket or via the public purse), you know? It's more of what to call it, than anything else. If that makes any sense
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Fine let's call them Lefts then