Do you like it in the USA?
Apr 6th 2011, 8:47 pm
#31
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
Octang,
just wondering what you prefer......
I can't stand that I have.....
City police
County Sheriff
State Trooper
all making sure I don't do 55 in a 50 zone.........
it's indirect taxation at best and police state at worst.......
As a Trucker I have to tell you that since the majority of states that are broke have increased their inspection and scale operations...
I doubt that truckers are doing anything more illegal or flounting rules now than they were in say......... 5 years ago. They're doing it to fine more people....... to raise more money.
just wondering what you prefer......
I can't stand that I have.....
City police
County Sheriff
State Trooper
all making sure I don't do 55 in a 50 zone.........
it's indirect taxation at best and police state at worst.......
As a Trucker I have to tell you that since the majority of states that are broke have increased their inspection and scale operations...
I doubt that truckers are doing anything more illegal or flounting rules now than they were in say......... 5 years ago. They're doing it to fine more people....... to raise more money.
Apr 6th 2011, 8:56 pm
#32
Peace onion
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Location: Denver
Posts: 5,686
Re: Do you like it in the USA?
Right, Manc, I hear you. LEO and prisons are growing industries here. I don't like the police here, or over there. I despise the growing use of paramilitary police over here. I was reading yesterday of a SWAT team evicting a lady from her home on behalf of a bank. There's a lot I would change over here.
But that said, I despise the government-in-everybody's-business more. CCTV cameras everywhere. The petty, small-mindedness. Council spies. Ludicrous recycling crap. Bureaucrats spying left, right and center.
Interfering in others' business "for the greater good".
Constant petty legislation. Protect the children! ZOMG! The environment!
The Daily Mail mentality. Class. Money. Background.
I lol'ed when reading a article in the DM (about something that happened in America) and in the comments section, someone had written: "I don't know what to think... the DM hasn't told me how much their house is worth".
But that said, I despise the government-in-everybody's-business more. CCTV cameras everywhere. The petty, small-mindedness. Council spies. Ludicrous recycling crap. Bureaucrats spying left, right and center.
Interfering in others' business "for the greater good".
Constant petty legislation. Protect the children! ZOMG! The environment!
The Daily Mail mentality. Class. Money. Background.
I lol'ed when reading a article in the DM (about something that happened in America) and in the comments section, someone had written: "I don't know what to think... the DM hasn't told me how much their house is worth".
Apr 6th 2011, 9:04 pm
#33
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
... or not
Apr 6th 2011, 9:05 pm
#34
Peace onion
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
You are forgiven. Go in peas.
Apr 6th 2011, 9:13 pm
#35
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
We go round and round on this one. Health care - racism - ignorance - police & bureaucracy...
I'm sure the USA and the UK are both seriously shÃtty places full of bad stuff. It's just that Britain is MY shÃtty place, and the US is a scary ALIEN shÃtty place. And that's after living more than half my adult life here, becoming a citizen, being a fully paid up potential Social Security and Medicare recipient etc. etc.
I'm sure the USA and the UK are both seriously shÃtty places full of bad stuff. It's just that Britain is MY shÃtty place, and the US is a scary ALIEN shÃtty place. And that's after living more than half my adult life here, becoming a citizen, being a fully paid up potential Social Security and Medicare recipient etc. etc.
Apr 6th 2011, 9:22 pm
#36
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
We go round and round on this one. Health care - racism - ignorance - police & bureaucracy...
I'm sure the USA and the UK are both seriously shÃtty places full of bad stuff. It's just that Britain is MY shÃtty place, and the US is a scary ALIEN shÃtty place. And that's after living more than half my adult life here, becoming a citizen, being a fully paid up potential Social Security and Medicare recipient etc. etc.
I'm sure the USA and the UK are both seriously shÃtty places full of bad stuff. It's just that Britain is MY shÃtty place, and the US is a scary ALIEN shÃtty place. And that's after living more than half my adult life here, becoming a citizen, being a fully paid up potential Social Security and Medicare recipient etc. etc.
Apr 6th 2011, 10:34 pm
#37
@matthewb76
Joined: Jul 2003
Location: Missouri
Posts: 21,886
Re: Do you like it in the USA?
Right, Manc, I hear you. LEO and prisons are growing industries here. I don't like the police here, or over there. I despise the growing use of paramilitary police over here. I was reading yesterday of a SWAT team evicting a lady from her home on behalf of a bank. There's a lot I would change over here.
But that said, I despise the government-in-everybody's-business more. CCTV cameras everywhere. The petty, small-mindedness. Council spies. Ludicrous recycling crap. Bureaucrats spying left, right and center.
Interfering in others' business "for the greater good".
Constant petty legislation. Protect the children! ZOMG! The environment!
The Daily Mail mentality. Class. Money. Background.
I lol'ed when reading a article in the DM (about something that happened in America) and in the comments section, someone had written: "I don't know what to think... the DM hasn't told me how much their house is worth".
But that said, I despise the government-in-everybody's-business more. CCTV cameras everywhere. The petty, small-mindedness. Council spies. Ludicrous recycling crap. Bureaucrats spying left, right and center.
Interfering in others' business "for the greater good".
Constant petty legislation. Protect the children! ZOMG! The environment!
The Daily Mail mentality. Class. Money. Background.
I lol'ed when reading a article in the DM (about something that happened in America) and in the comments section, someone had written: "I don't know what to think... the DM hasn't told me how much their house is worth".
However. I'm willing to bet that CCTV's have caught more rapists than a speed gun ever will.
I also think, and I have nothing to back this up, just a hunch on my trips back to the UK, but there is very little noticeable police on the ground in panda cars anymore in the UK.
I suspect that there are a few rapid response teams to go knock a few heads that are battering each other that the CCTV's have spotted... But I reckon most are detictives out investigating real crimes.
If that's the case, I can go with that. I'd much rather my cops be out looking for kiddy fiddlers than a guy doing 5 over.......
just my tuppence.
Apr 7th 2011, 3:51 am
#38
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
If only that view were true! Only this week there are announcements of more cuts in the police budget, supposedly not affecting front line officers, but in reality, those with 30 years service are being compulsorarily retired, leaving those with less experience in work. This must be going to have an impact on level of service to the public. Many people I know here in the UK are actually envious of the police response in the US, where you are not automatically hauled in on charges if you dare to defend yourself against criminals. There is a nagging belief that the law here is more on the side of the wrongdoer than the victim, whether this is true or not, it is a widely held belief. I think there is always going to be an element of "the grass is greener" but most people could live fairly happily in either country if that is what they want. I travel back here (to Uk) every couple of months for work and so I think I probably have the best of both worlds. I know there are some things I like more about one country than the other but as long as you accept each for what it is - and we all know the differences - you stand a chance of being ok. Live the life you have, don't live a "what if?" one.
Apr 7th 2011, 8:14 am
#39
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
Like most,l've got mixed feelings on it. l've been here 13 yrs now and the novelty wore off for me after about 6 months ! l miss the UK a lot and as far as l'm concerned it's my home,and always will be. Due to circumstances,l'm pretty much stuck here with little hope of returning to the UK to live...but l guess it could be worse !Tell him to get used to being asked "Are u from Australia",on a daily basis for the rest of his life in the US
Apr 7th 2011, 10:33 am
#40
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
If only that view were true! Only this week there are announcements of more cuts in the police budget, supposedly not affecting front line officers, but in reality, those with 30 years service are being compulsorarily retired, leaving those with less experience in work. This must be going to have an impact on level of service to the public. Many people I know here in the UK are actually envious of the police response in the US, where you are not automatically hauled in on charges if you dare to defend yourself against criminals. There is a nagging belief that the law here is more on the side of the wrongdoer than the victim, whether this is true or not, it is a widely held belief. I think there is always going to be an element of "the grass is greener" but most people could live fairly happily in either country if that is what they want. I travel back here (to Uk) every couple of months for work and so I think I probably have the best of both worlds. I know there are some things I like more about one country than the other but as long as you accept each for what it is - and we all know the differences - you stand a chance of being ok. Live the life you have, don't live a "what if?" one.
Apr 7th 2011, 10:47 am
#41
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
I think CCTV are a blight, really I do. I think when the "if you have nothing to hide" arguement rears it's head then you've lost the arguement.
However. I'm willing to bet that CCTV's have caught more rapists than a speed gun ever will.
I also think, and I have nothing to back this up, just a hunch on my trips back to the UK, but there is very little noticeable police on the ground in panda cars anymore in the UK.
I suspect that there are a few rapid response teams to go knock a few heads that are battering each other that the CCTV's have spotted... But I reckon most are detictives out investigating real crimes.
If that's the case, I can go with that. I'd much rather my cops be out looking for kiddy fiddlers than a guy doing 5 over.......
just my tuppence.
However. I'm willing to bet that CCTV's have caught more rapists than a speed gun ever will.
I also think, and I have nothing to back this up, just a hunch on my trips back to the UK, but there is very little noticeable police on the ground in panda cars anymore in the UK.
I suspect that there are a few rapid response teams to go knock a few heads that are battering each other that the CCTV's have spotted... But I reckon most are detictives out investigating real crimes.
If that's the case, I can go with that. I'd much rather my cops be out looking for kiddy fiddlers than a guy doing 5 over.......
just my tuppence.
On the speeding issue, its not an either or thing. If you lived in the UK you would have to look out for police officers with speed guns, speed camera (which are everywhere) and the CCTV.
Apr 7th 2011, 11:02 am
#42
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
I don't mind CCTV. If you are in public you should always behave as if someone could see you anyway. Afterall, if someone happened to be looking out of their window and saw you it's exactly the same as CCTV. CCTV has also stopped innocent people being arrested. On a 'Cops With Cameras' show I watched, there was a town centre fight, and police waded in to arrest several people. The CCTV operator was able to tell the cops that one of the guys they had grabbed was innocent and had just been nearby. That information saved the guy getting arrested, having his DNA taken and possibly getting convicted of a crime he was innocent of.
I think in these high technology days, escaping surveillance is a battle none of us will win. They can trace where you are by your mobile phone, even if it's switched off, they can trace your movements on public transport if you have an Oyster card, trace your purchases via debit cards, even track your shopping preferences via loyalty cards.
Having said that, I was a huge opponent of ID cards, and I'm so glad the ConDem coalition have scrapped them. Afterall most Brits have a passport anyway.
I think in these high technology days, escaping surveillance is a battle none of us will win. They can trace where you are by your mobile phone, even if it's switched off, they can trace your movements on public transport if you have an Oyster card, trace your purchases via debit cards, even track your shopping preferences via loyalty cards.
Having said that, I was a huge opponent of ID cards, and I'm so glad the ConDem coalition have scrapped them. Afterall most Brits have a passport anyway.
Apr 7th 2011, 12:00 pm
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
Apr 7th 2011, 12:27 pm
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
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I think in these high technology days, escaping surveillance is a battle none of us will win. They can trace where you are by your mobile phone, even if it's switched off, they can trace your movements on public transport if you have an Oyster card, trace your purchases via debit cards, even track your shopping preferences via loyalty cards.
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I think in these high technology days, escaping surveillance is a battle none of us will win. They can trace where you are by your mobile phone, even if it's switched off, they can trace your movements on public transport if you have an Oyster card, trace your purchases via debit cards, even track your shopping preferences via loyalty cards.
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Apr 7th 2011, 2:05 pm
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Re: Do you like it in the USA?
So true ! Like most,l've got mixed feelings on it. l've been here 13 yrs now and the novelty wore off for me after about 6 months ! l miss the UK a lot and as far as l'm concerned it's my home,and always will be. Due to circumstances,l'm pretty much stuck here with little hope of returning to the UK to live...but l guess it could be worse !
Tell him to get used to being asked "Are u from Australia",on a daily basis for the rest of his life in the US
Like most,l've got mixed feelings on it. l've been here 13 yrs now and the novelty wore off for me after about 6 months ! l miss the UK a lot and as far as l'm concerned it's my home,and always will be. Due to circumstances,l'm pretty much stuck here with little hope of returning to the UK to live...but l guess it could be worse !Tell him to get used to being asked "Are u from Australia",on a daily basis for the rest of his life in the US