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Old Sep 12th 2013, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Michael
In my case, I'd rather just have an injection when the right time comes. My mother had diabetes, kidney failure, cancer, and had lost mobility and after 10 years of dialysis, she decided that it was her time and went to the hospital refusing dialysis and went through about three days of hell with morphine before she died. In my opinion, people shouldn't have to suffer that way in their final days of life.
I agree with your sentiment, and I guess I was assuming that the law is unlikely to change that much, and/or soon enough to be of any use or assistance to me.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 7:53 pm
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Me too
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 7:57 pm
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We don't let our pets die that way, but we force our relatives to die that way.

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In my opinion, people shouldn't have to suffer that way in their final days of life.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:01 pm
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Originally Posted by jeffreyhy
We don't let our pets die that way, but we force our relatives to die that way.

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But if you are religious, god intended it that way that man must suffer while on earth but pets aren't mentioned.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:09 pm
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So now you're arguing on both sides of the debate! Carry on.

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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:11 pm
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So now you're arguing on both sides of the debate! Carry on.

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No I'm not since I'm not religious but just pointing out why laws are on the books.
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Division Of State and Religion?

Works for Schools?
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Originally Posted by Michael
But if you are religious, god intended it that way that man must suffer while on earth but pets aren't mentioned.
However, man's suffering is often prolonged artificially by modern medical advances.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:23 pm
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However, man's suffering is often prolonged artificially by modern medical advances.
Must be god's will.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Nothing Obama seems to want to do about that or other costs.
The conservative view is that free market forces will reduce the cost of health care. They can even point to some examples that it works such as in many third world countries where if you can't pay, you die and health care costs are low.

However in developed countries, there isn't a free market in health care so most countries regulate the industry to keep costs down. In the US, there is still opposing forces that believe that market forces will work and others believe that regulation will work but since they have ideological differences, neither can get enough votes to put their theory to test.
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dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2418250/NHS-death-rate-worst-West-Patients-50-likely-die-neglect-US-says-study.html

well according to recent studies the death rate in UK hospitals is 50% higher than in the US.

Curious why everyone prefers this system just because their is no bill at the end of it. Maybe thats why Obama doesnt share the ideology of healthcare in the UK,
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Originally Posted by maggot50
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2418250/NHS-death-rate-worst-West-Patients-50-likely-die-neglect-US-says-study.html

well according to recent studies the death rate in UK hospitals is 50% higher than in the US.

Curious why everyone prefers this system just because their is no bill at the end of it. Maybe thats why Obama doesnt share the ideology of healthcare in the UK,
'Study' singular.

You have to get into the hospital in the first place before you can die in it.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:44 pm
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There are hospice organizations throughout the US. No doubt stronger in some regions than others. Old people, within six months, or so, of death, choose to sign up for their services. This avoids unnecessary aggressive and expensive care in the end stages, and also gives the possibility of "NHS like" home based, low tech care for Americans. My mother in law opted for home based hospice care in her last few weeks of life and it worked out very well for her and us.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:46 pm
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Originally Posted by maggot50
well according to recent studies the death rate in UK hospitals is 50% higher than in the US.
That is even a less valid point than saying that more people in one country are dying of cancer so it must have a poorer health care system. Very few people in third world countries live long enough to die of cancer.
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 8:48 pm
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Default Re: Disgusted with US health care system.

Originally Posted by maggot50
dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2418250/NHS-death-rate-worst-West-Patients-50-likely-die-neglect-US-says-study.html

well according to recent studies the death rate in UK hospitals is 50% higher than in the US.

Curious why everyone prefers this system just because their is no bill at the end of it. Maybe thats why Obama doesnt share the ideology of healthcare in the UK,
The UK has gone to the dogs I tell ya!

I'm sure my 87 year old MIL must be lying when she fell a couple of weeks ago and claims she was taken swifty to the ER by ambulance. She even claims an ambulance took her home and she didn't have to wait very long for the ride. She also claims that the ER doctor noticed something suspicious on her face. He arranged for her to have a MRI, CT scan and consult for the following week. All 3 appointments were scheduled for the same day so she wouldn't have to make 3 separate visits...that was last week. Next Tuesday she has a consult with a facial reconstruction surgeon. Surely this cannot be correct...after all she is 87...not worth bothering about really and you hear such dreadful stories about the NHS.
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