Crime risk
#1
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Crime risk
I think it's great that real estate websites in the US show actual crime reports, but how do they actually define if it's low risk/high risk and is the risk based on the area or whole US?
Just an example: This home in LA is considered low risk with following crimes reported near the home
09/24/2016
Assault
An assault with a deadly weapon.
09/24/2016
Robbery
An attempted robbery.
09/24/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/23/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/23/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/23/2016
Assault
An assault with a deadly weapon.
09/23/2016
Robbery
A robbery.
09/23/2016
Theft
A burglary from vehicle.
09/23/2016
Theft
A burglary from vehicle.
09/23/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/23/2016
Theft
A petty theft.
09/23/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/23/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/23/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/22/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/21/2016
Assault
Dom Viol Assault
09/21/2016
Other
Grand Theft
09/21/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/21/2016
Other
Susp Person
09/20/2016
Other
Driving Viol
09/20/2016
Other
Susp Person
09/20/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/20/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/19/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/19/2016
Other
Trespass
09/18/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/18/2016
Theft
Grand Theft
09/18/2016
Assault
An assault with a deadly weapon.
09/18/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/17/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/17/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/17/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/17/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/17/2016
Theft
A petty theft.
09/17/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/16/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/16/2016
Assault
A rape. - A rape.
09/15/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/15/2016
Other
Susp Person
09/15/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/14/2016
Theft
A shoplifting (petty).
09/14/2016
Theft
A burglary from vehicle. - A burglary from vehicle.
09/14/2016
Theft
A shoplifting (petty).
09/13/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/12/2016
Theft
A grand theft.
Just an example: This home in LA is considered low risk with following crimes reported near the home
09/24/2016
Assault
An assault with a deadly weapon.
09/24/2016
Robbery
An attempted robbery.
09/24/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/23/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/23/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/23/2016
Assault
An assault with a deadly weapon.
09/23/2016
Robbery
A robbery.
09/23/2016
Theft
A burglary from vehicle.
09/23/2016
Theft
A burglary from vehicle.
09/23/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/23/2016
Theft
A petty theft.
09/23/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/23/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/23/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/22/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/21/2016
Assault
Dom Viol Assault
09/21/2016
Other
Grand Theft
09/21/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/21/2016
Other
Susp Person
09/20/2016
Other
Driving Viol
09/20/2016
Other
Susp Person
09/20/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/20/2016
Burglary
A burglary.
09/19/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/19/2016
Other
Trespass
09/18/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/18/2016
Theft
Grand Theft
09/18/2016
Assault
An assault with a deadly weapon.
09/18/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/17/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/17/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/17/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/17/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/17/2016
Theft
A petty theft.
09/17/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/16/2016
Theft
A stolen vehicle.
09/16/2016
Assault
A rape. - A rape.
09/15/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/15/2016
Other
Susp Person
09/15/2016
Other
Susp Person/Veh
09/14/2016
Theft
A shoplifting (petty).
09/14/2016
Theft
A burglary from vehicle. - A burglary from vehicle.
09/14/2016
Theft
A shoplifting (petty).
09/13/2016
Theft
A petty theft from vehicle.
09/12/2016
Theft
A grand theft.
#2
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Re: Crime risk
Low medium and high are relative terms, what are you comparing them with?
#3
Re: Crime risk
I would guess it's allocated by zipcode. UK insurers assess crime risk using postcodes.
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Re: Crime risk
https://www.trulia.com/property/3246...ighborhoodinfo
, you read crime low and see all those crimes reported near the home. Maybe it's low for the city and unless the crime is in your backyard it will never be high? Maybe Owen778 is right.
#5
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 177
Re: Crime risk
I live in a zip code in downtown SF that has a "medium" rating.
But, the reality is...it's quite safe. The reason for the rating is the following. It's right next to golden gate park, where there are some transients that sleep rough. Any crimes they commit, even if it's public urination etc are logged against our zip code, driving the rates "up". There are likewise numerous festivals etc in the park, and anything that is caught (fights etc) are logged to our zip code as well.
If I looked at the crimes for the last 2 weeks, I'd see 300 arrests, some drug violations, grand theft and auto theft. But there was a big free music festival last weekend which had A LOT to do with it.
Looking at your stats...it is only half the story. Was the car stolen in the neighborhood or was it dumped in the neighborhood and reported by a neighbor. Was the trespass a family matter? Was the beating a family matter rather than a random crime
While important - crime stats only give half the story.
But, the reality is...it's quite safe. The reason for the rating is the following. It's right next to golden gate park, where there are some transients that sleep rough. Any crimes they commit, even if it's public urination etc are logged against our zip code, driving the rates "up". There are likewise numerous festivals etc in the park, and anything that is caught (fights etc) are logged to our zip code as well.
If I looked at the crimes for the last 2 weeks, I'd see 300 arrests, some drug violations, grand theft and auto theft. But there was a big free music festival last weekend which had A LOT to do with it.
Looking at your stats...it is only half the story. Was the car stolen in the neighborhood or was it dumped in the neighborhood and reported by a neighbor. Was the trespass a family matter? Was the beating a family matter rather than a random crime
While important - crime stats only give half the story.
#6
Re: Crime risk
I was just mentioning to a colleague the other day that 90% of banks in the UK have screens for the cashiers, many of which are bullet proof. In the banks I go into here there are no screens whatsoever.
The same goes for the post offices. Even village post offices have a lot of security now.
So which country is safer?
The same goes for the post offices. Even village post offices have a lot of security now.
So which country is safer?
#7
Re: Crime risk
In fact the old glass screens have often (always? ) been replaced with a barrier that rises out of the counter in a split second when a panic button is trigger by a teller.
..... village post offices have a lot of security now. ....
Last edited by Pulaski; Oct 10th 2016 at 4:06 pm.
#8
Re: Crime risk
You are correct, most of the fixed screens were replaces with a more secure automated barrier. Some banks still kept the screens that were at head height when standing, and you passed the money/items into the tray and a shutter slid across.
There are still one or two village shops with post offices.
There are still one or two village shops with post offices.
Last edited by mrken30; Oct 10th 2016 at 4:26 pm.
#9
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Posts: 83
Re: Crime risk
I will admit that I live in a pretty expensive area and the crime rate is low. This is a safe city, but its all relative and there is still crime. We have had a few bank robberies and it seems that the older Honda Accord lives up to its reputation as 'The USA's most stolen car'.
But I will admit that I like the transparency that the reporting gives and it covers everything, no matter how big or small. And one thing that I have noticed is that one instance can be multiple crimes reported.
This is different to the UK police. Its pretty widely reported about what they do and what they dont. The Police forces up and down the UK routinely DONT report crime to give their stats a boost, and its well known that they will discourage reporting of crime if it can be solved by another method - which in principle is probably a better way, but is so open to misuse and abuse that its crazy.
When I lived in a sleepy provincial Wiltshire town, I had my car vandalized twice, my property attacked twice and my garage door vandalized too (brand new too!!! Gits!). Only one of those crimes was reported - and that was because I pushed on it! They wanted to 'avoid unnecessary paperwork'. Nice. Not a police force I had trust in.
My argument was that they needed to report everything so they can put in the resources they needed to solve specific areas. But in reality, they knew damn well who was doing everything. I was let into a bit of secret about policing though - they usually dont get told when someone is out on license or released from prison, but they can literally plot things on a map after a few days. Two of the attacks on my car (and others in the street) were at different times, but totally mapped out with the release and subsequent re-arrest of well known prolific criminals. They had no proof, but could tie it all back to them, with ease. It must be so depressing for the police.
Anyway, I digress. But this was the problem for me - so called 'low level crime' was the problem for me in the UK. It was everywhere and was broadly unpunished. It was almost accepted. Low level crime here in the US is unacceptable (well in my well funded city police area) and overall I do feel safer and the perception is better. Is it safer? Hard to say, but its all relative and I doubt I would have the same opinions if I lived in a poor city or area. I know things are much different there.
But I will admit that I like the transparency that the reporting gives and it covers everything, no matter how big or small. And one thing that I have noticed is that one instance can be multiple crimes reported.
This is different to the UK police. Its pretty widely reported about what they do and what they dont. The Police forces up and down the UK routinely DONT report crime to give their stats a boost, and its well known that they will discourage reporting of crime if it can be solved by another method - which in principle is probably a better way, but is so open to misuse and abuse that its crazy.
When I lived in a sleepy provincial Wiltshire town, I had my car vandalized twice, my property attacked twice and my garage door vandalized too (brand new too!!! Gits!). Only one of those crimes was reported - and that was because I pushed on it! They wanted to 'avoid unnecessary paperwork'. Nice. Not a police force I had trust in.
My argument was that they needed to report everything so they can put in the resources they needed to solve specific areas. But in reality, they knew damn well who was doing everything. I was let into a bit of secret about policing though - they usually dont get told when someone is out on license or released from prison, but they can literally plot things on a map after a few days. Two of the attacks on my car (and others in the street) were at different times, but totally mapped out with the release and subsequent re-arrest of well known prolific criminals. They had no proof, but could tie it all back to them, with ease. It must be so depressing for the police.
Anyway, I digress. But this was the problem for me - so called 'low level crime' was the problem for me in the UK. It was everywhere and was broadly unpunished. It was almost accepted. Low level crime here in the US is unacceptable (well in my well funded city police area) and overall I do feel safer and the perception is better. Is it safer? Hard to say, but its all relative and I doubt I would have the same opinions if I lived in a poor city or area. I know things are much different there.
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Re: Crime risk
Sure, but how do they define low risk high risk in the US? Just from looking at some of the properties on Trulia for example
https://www.trulia.com/property/3246...ighborhoodinfo
, you read crime low and see all those crimes reported near the home. Maybe it's low for the city and unless the crime is in your backyard it will never be high? Maybe Owen778 is right.
https://www.trulia.com/property/3246...ighborhoodinfo
, you read crime low and see all those crimes reported near the home. Maybe it's low for the city and unless the crime is in your backyard it will never be high? Maybe Owen778 is right.
#11
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Posts: 946
Re: Crime risk
You are correct, most of the fixed screens were replaces with a more secure automated barrier. Some banks still kept the screens that were at head height when standing, and you passed the money/items into the tray and a shutter slid across.
There are still one or two village shops with post offices.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/res...ticleLandscape
There are still one or two village shops with post offices.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/res...ticleLandscape