is crime in florida, really that bad?
#91
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
http://www.canadaupdates.com/content...k-visa-options
Maybe I should the question why they don't pursue in large numbers like we do? I can't find figures for Brits illegal in the U.S It is not 5 or 6% of our population I don't think it is even 60k Brits. The Brits have a lot stronger inkling to obey immigration law going illegal seems to be a stretch too far for us. I doubt many of those would be illegal if the E2 did not exist they would just say is America is probably beyond of reach look Down Under instead. I can't tell you why the Irish seem to disregard immigration law in large numbers. Based on what Ian said their continued presence is probably down the Irish American lobbies and campagin donaters as well. But it smacks of double standards when looking at other countries like Argentina and Poland
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
I can't tell you why the Irish seem to disregard immigration law in large numbers.
Based on what Ian said their continued presence is probably down the Irish American lobbies and campagin donaters as well.
Ian
#93
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
You really are naive! You're trying to draw a comparison between Brits and the Irish... as though it mattered one bit to the US government!
For the same reason the Brits do. You focus on the Irish because you want to... not because they are more likely to disregard immigration law than the rest of the UK. It's called "selective focus" and is yet another example of those stupid fallacies that permeates your comments.
Please don't try to draw an idiotic conclusion based on anything I've said as support. I never said any such thing... and trying to make it seem as though I did is both disrespectful and offensive. Stupid git!
Ian
For the same reason the Brits do. You focus on the Irish because you want to... not because they are more likely to disregard immigration law than the rest of the UK. It's called "selective focus" and is yet another example of those stupid fallacies that permeates your comments.
Please don't try to draw an idiotic conclusion based on anything I've said as support. I never said any such thing... and trying to make it seem as though I did is both disrespectful and offensive. Stupid git!
Ian
#94
Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
I still haven't seen you source and post the documents that explain how countries are selected and retained for participation in the VWP. Maybe if you start with some of the same background information that seasoned posters have, you can ask in a friendlier way?
I'm not saying there is no political influence in the choice, but I don't think you have all the information you could have.
I'm not saying there is no political influence in the choice, but I don't think you have all the information you could have.
#95
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
Just to help the debate:
See Part (c)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...7----000-.html
Five areas for a country to initially qualify for VWP:
1. Low nonimmigrant visa refusal rate
2.Machine readable passport program
3. Law enforcement and security interests
4. Reporting lost and stolen passports
5. Repatriation of aliens
6. Passenger information exchange
For continued membership of VWP:
Continuing qualification
In the case of a country which was a program country in the previous fiscal year, a country may not be designated as a program country unless the sum of—
(i) the total of the number of nationals of that country who were denied admission at the time of arrival or withdrew their application for admission during such previous fiscal year as a nonimmigrant visitor, and
(ii) the total number of nationals of that country who were admitted as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year and who violated the terms of such admission,
was less than 2 percent of the total number of nationals of that country who applied for admission as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year.
Hope this helps
See Part (c)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...7----000-.html
Five areas for a country to initially qualify for VWP:
1. Low nonimmigrant visa refusal rate
2.Machine readable passport program
3. Law enforcement and security interests
4. Reporting lost and stolen passports
5. Repatriation of aliens
6. Passenger information exchange
For continued membership of VWP:
Continuing qualification
In the case of a country which was a program country in the previous fiscal year, a country may not be designated as a program country unless the sum of—
(i) the total of the number of nationals of that country who were denied admission at the time of arrival or withdrew their application for admission during such previous fiscal year as a nonimmigrant visitor, and
(ii) the total number of nationals of that country who were admitted as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year and who violated the terms of such admission,
was less than 2 percent of the total number of nationals of that country who applied for admission as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year.
Hope this helps
#96
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
To the OP: I haven't been shot this week, but there's always the weekend.
#100
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
i prefer the word "clarifying"....
enabling suggests i have an opinion - and i know only moderators or extremists are allowed those
enabling suggests i have an opinion - and i know only moderators or extremists are allowed those
#103
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
I still haven't seen you source and post the documents that explain how countries are selected and retained for participation in the VWP. Maybe if you start with some of the same background information that seasoned posters have, you can ask in a friendlier way?
I'm not saying there is no political influence in the choice, but I don't think you have all the information you could have.
I'm not saying there is no political influence in the choice, but I don't think you have all the information you could have.
Last edited by igotheesta; Sep 10th 2010 at 2:43 pm.
#104
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Re: is crime in florida, really that bad?
Just to help the debate:
See Part (c)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...7----000-.html
Five areas for a country to initially qualify for VWP:
1. Low nonimmigrant visa refusal rate
2.Machine readable passport program
3. Law enforcement and security interests
4. Reporting lost and stolen passports
5. Repatriation of aliens
6. Passenger information exchange
For continued membership of VWP:
Continuing qualification
In the case of a country which was a program country in the previous fiscal year, a country may not be designated as a program country unless the sum of—
(i) the total of the number of nationals of that country who were denied admission at the time of arrival or withdrew their application for admission during such previous fiscal year as a nonimmigrant visitor, and
(ii) the total number of nationals of that country who were admitted as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year and who violated the terms of such admission,
was less than 2 percent of the total number of nationals of that country who applied for admission as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year.
Hope this helps
See Part (c)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/us...7----000-.html
Five areas for a country to initially qualify for VWP:
1. Low nonimmigrant visa refusal rate
2.Machine readable passport program
3. Law enforcement and security interests
4. Reporting lost and stolen passports
5. Repatriation of aliens
6. Passenger information exchange
For continued membership of VWP:
Continuing qualification
In the case of a country which was a program country in the previous fiscal year, a country may not be designated as a program country unless the sum of—
(i) the total of the number of nationals of that country who were denied admission at the time of arrival or withdrew their application for admission during such previous fiscal year as a nonimmigrant visitor, and
(ii) the total number of nationals of that country who were admitted as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year and who violated the terms of such admission,
was less than 2 percent of the total number of nationals of that country who applied for admission as nonimmigrant visitors during such previous fiscal year.
Hope this helps
What do you mean by repatration of aliens? I don't understand what that means
Last edited by igotheesta; Sep 10th 2010 at 2:45 pm.